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Old 01-15-2010, 07:56 AM
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Whiterose as a Christian I take the teaching that Jesus was not crucified found in the Qur'an to be false. According to historical records and the Bible Jesus was not only crucified but resurrected from the dead. If he had not been then my sins would not be forgiven. The Bible and the Qur'an are mutually exclusive. This is where Islam and Christianity completely disagree. Do Muslims claim to believe the Bible? They do not believe in the same Jesus that Christians believe in.

Could you answer my specific question about whether true followers of Islam approve of terrorist acts like the ones on September 11th.The answer to that will go a long way towards how I will view Islam as a religion. Thank you.
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I have not thoroughly studied Islam, but from what I have learned so far I believe the following. Islam believes most of or all of the Christian Old testament. Islam believes in a Jesus, but not the same one described in the Christian Bible. Islam believes in a prophet named Mohammed or some variation of that spelling and he is the most recent and greatest of the prophets. The followers of Islam live according to the teachings of Mohammed. Is that all accurate? Thanks to any Muslim who can fill me in on this.
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I have not thoroughly studied Islam, but from what I have learned so far I believe the following. Islam believes most of or all of the Christian Old testament. Islam believes in a Jesus, but not the same one described in the Christian Bible. Islam believes in a prophet named Mohammed or some variation of that spelling and he is the most recent and greatest of the prophets. The followers of Islam live according to the teachings of Mohammed. Is that all accurate? Thanks to any Muslim who can fill me in on this.



Well I will respond you .....
Believe in Islam, Jesus was a prophet of the prophets of God such as Muhammad peace be upon him there was no difference among them never ....
.. But God sent a prophet to each specific category of people .. Moses sent by God to the people of Pharaoh ((Jews)), and Jesus was also sent to the people of Israel ....

Every prophet sent to the persons specified by the people of ... But Mohammad peace be upon him ((the last of the prophets and apostles)) sent by God to all people ...

So Jesus was a prophet of the prophets of God in the land, nor do we consider the Son of God .....
God is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and capable of everything .....

There is no god but Allah .. Does not have a wife nor a child .. Everything on earth is worshiped and loved by instinct ... And Mohammed and Jesus peace be upon them messages of the prophets of God Boshm ... to tell the existence of God .... Has given them the miracles ...
The miracles of Jesus peace be upon him and one of them that he was born without a father ((God is capable of everything)) and he spoke in the cradle, and many others

But the miracle of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him ((the last of the prophets and apostles)) is the Koran ((the Word of God)) .........

God said he will save the Koran ... to remain unaltered for the Day of Resurrection and account .. And because the Koran is a given, without altering additions .. no one was able to write like him ..... and where a lot of miracles that are still discovered by modern science ....

There are a lot of Christian scholars who converted to Islam ..... After they discovered that the Qur'an said things scientific, but do not reveal microscope has been reported by thousands of centuries, in the words of Muhammad peace be upon him .....

Every day something new appears in the Koran ((word of God)) indicates that the Islamic religion is the true religion ... and that the Koran is the word of God and not the words of Muhammad peace be upon him ....

I hope that you know some things about Islam ....
Think of any questions I will try to answer them

Thank you my friends...............
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Old 01-15-2010, 10:38 AM
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Have you ever seen the movie, 'Fitna' by Geert Wilders?

It's very enlightening.

It'll make you wake up, and smell the jihad.

Here's the Link:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=216_1207467783
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Have you ever seen the movie, 'Fitna' by Geert Wilders?

It's very enlightening.

It'll make you wake up, and smell the jihad.

Here's the Link:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=216_1207467783


Well, Teddy .........

Since you brought a video clip attacking Islam, the name of jihad ....

Here's the video clip of this ..... Which is the biggest proof that Islam is innocent of these things which you say .......
And I ask you now
Why do you live??? What your goal in life???
These three parts .... see and tell me what do you think the President is offering the people of the danger to its interests???


Here's the Link1:

Here's the Link2:

Here's the Link3:

So.............NoW.........WhAt Do YoU ThInK TeDDy???????
Who killed them??[/
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Well, Teddy .........

Since you brought a video clip attacking Islam, the name of jihad ....

Here's the video clip of this ..... Which is the biggest proof that Islam is innocent of these things which you say .......
And I ask you now
Why do you live??? What your goal in life???
These three parts .... see and tell me what do you think the President is offering the people of the danger to its interests???


Here's the Link1: HeRe


Here's the Link2: HeRe


Here's the Link3: HeRe


So.............NoW.........WhAt Do YoU ThInK TeDDy???????
Who killed them??[/
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I am asking these questions honestly and it seems to me that so far both Whiterose and Teddy are providing media hype. I did a search on the internet regarding loose change and even the producers admit that it is full of factual errors. They did not bother to correct those errors because as they said they want to be discredited so people will check into it themselves. Fitna does an honest representation of some teachings of the Qur'an but perhaps they are taken out of context. Fitna shows Muslim leaders proclaiming murder and hateful sayings towards Jewish persons. I am sure there are Jewish persons who proclaim hateful things towards Muslims. Whiterose all I want to hear from you is that you accept these teachings or reject them. Do you hate people just because they are from a different religion or nation than you? Does a person who converts from Islam to another religion deserve to be put to death?

Here is a link to the article regarding Loose Change.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28film%29

As for the contention that it was not commercial flights that crashed into the World Trade Center that is a slap in the face to all of the family members of victims who lost their lives on those flights.
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What about the 72 virgins? LOL

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Whiterose I appreciate what you have shared, but you have yet to answer my question. I want your answer and not the answer of some video. Were the actions taken on September 11th those of true followers of Islam. Just a simple yes or no.

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To be honest with you, I doubt that this Whiterose person is even a muslim female, or even a female. I think it's just someone trying to bust our balls. Even the avatar is fake. How many muslim women do you know, have the freedom to just come on some American Idol site, and chat with infidels? Most of them don't have much freedom at all. They're pretty much there, to serve their men. Muslim daughters, who become too westernized, or don't cooperate with their parents, are killed by their fathers. They call it 'honor killing'. Women are beaten, and tortured by the Taliban every day. They don't have any rights at all, so I'm not buying this Whiterose person as some muslim women, who is just trying to spread Islam. That's usually the man's job. So, if you choose to be snowballed by this character, then that's up to you. I choose not to.

Anyway, if you think that this Fitna movie is just a bunch of media hype, well, all I can say is, wake up, and smell the jihad.
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To be honest with you, I doubt that this Whiterose person is even a muslim female, or even a female. I think it's just someone trying to bust our balls. Even the avatar is fake. How many muslim women do you know, have the freedom to just come on some American Idol site, and chat with infidels? Most of them don't have much freedom at all. They're pretty much there, to serve their men. Muslim daughters, who become too westernized, or don't cooperate with their parents, are killed by their fathers. They call it 'honor killing'. Women are beaten, and tortured by the Taliban every day. They don't have any rights at all, so I'm not buying this Whiterose person as some muslim women, who is just trying to spread Islam. That's usually the man's job. So, if you choose to be snowballed by this character, then that's up to you. I choose not to.

Anyway, if you think that this Fitna movie is just a bunch of media hype, well, all I can say is, wake up, and smell the jihad.
There is some truth to it Teddy but it is not taking a look at the other point of view. A person could make a documentary about so called Christians in Northern Ireland and make us all look bad too. That is why I am trying to get Whiterose to acknowledge whether the Islam portrayed in Fitna is true followers or wackos.

Good point about the way women are treated in Islam. Some people think that Christianity is anti women also because the Bible says for Women to submit in love to their husbands. Those people miss how men are supposed to love their wives to the point of laying down their lives for them. Whiterose can you tell us who you actually are and respond to these questions? If this is all some kind of lie than that is pretty sick.

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