Jews Need to Be Perfected by Becoming Christians'

[Olbermann]

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Columnist Ann Coulter Shocks Cable TV Show, Declaring 'Jews Need to Be Perfected by Becoming Christians'

Thursday , October 11, 2007

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Slash-and-burn columnist Ann Coulter shocked a cable TV talk-show audience Monday when she declared that Jews need to be "perfected" by becoming Christians, and that America would be better off if everyone were Christian.

Coulter made the remarkable statements during an often heated appearance to promote her new book on advertising guru Donny Deutsch's CNBC show "The Big Idea."

In response to a question from Deutsch asking Coulter if "it would be better if we were all Christian," the controversial columnist responded: "Yes."

"We should all be Christian?" Deutsch repeated.

"Yes," Coulter responded, asking Deutsch, who is Jewish, if he would like to "come to church with me."

Deutsch, pressing Coulter further, asked, "We should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians?" She responded: "Yeah."

Coulter deflected Deutsch's assertion that her comments were anti-Semitic, matter-of-factly telling the show's obviously upset host, "That is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews."

The show transcript of their conversation about Jews appears below:

DEUTSCH: Let me ask you a question. We're going to get off strengths and weakness for a second. If you had your way, and all of your — forget that any of them —

COULTER: I like this.

DEUTSCH: — are calculated marketing teases, and your dreams, which are genuine, came true having to do with immigration, having to do with women's — with abortion — what would this country look like?

COULTER: UMMMMM (pause) ... It would look like New York City during the Republican National Convention. In fact, that's what I think heaven is going to look like.

DEUTSCH: And what did that look like?

COULTER: Happy, joyful Republicans in the greatest city in the world.

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, no, but I'm talking about this country. You don't want to make this country — it's not about Republicans. I'm saying, what would the fabric of this country look like? Forget that the Republicans would be running the show.

COULTER: Well, everyone would root for America, the Democratic Party would look like Joe Lieberman, the Republican Party would look like Duncan Hunter —

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, I don't want — I'm not talking about politically the landscape. What would our — would we be safer? Would people be happier? Would they be more —

COULTER: We would be a lot safer.

DEUTSCH: Would there be more tolerance? Would there be — would women be happier, would the races get along better? The Ann Coulter subscription — prescription. What — tell me what would be different in our fabric of country, because —

COULTER: Well, all of those things.

DEUTSCH: I can give — I can give you an argument there would be more divisiveness, that there would be more hate —

COULTER: Oh, no.

DEUTSCH: That there would be a bigger difference between the rich and the poor, a lot of other — tell me what — why this would be a better world? Let's give you — I'm going to give you — say this is your show.

COULTER: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America, they —

DEUTSCH: Christian — so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?

COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?

DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place?

COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Jew, but you're not.

DEUTSCH: I actually am. That's not true. I really am. But — so we would be better if we were — if people — if there were no Jews, no Buddhists —

COULTER: Whenever I'm harangued by —

DEUTSCH: — in this country? You can't believe that.

COULTER: — you know, liberals on diversity —

DEUTSCH: Here you go again.

COULTER: No, it's true. I give all of these speeches at megachurches across America, and the one thing that's really striking about it is how utterly, completely diverse they are, and completely unself-consciously. You walk past a mixed-race couple in New York, and it's like they have a chip on their shoulder. They're just waiting for somebody to say something, as if anybody would. And —

DEUTSCH: I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that at all. Maybe you have the chip looking at them. I see a lot of interracial couples, and I don't see any more or less chips there either way. That's erroneous.

COULTER: No. In fact, there was an entire "Seinfeld" episode about Elaine and her boyfriend dating because they wanted to be a mixed-race couple, so you're lying.

DEUTSCH: Oh, because of some "Seinfeld" episode? OK.

COULTER: But yeah, I think that's reflective of what's going on in the culture, but it is completely striking that at these huge megachurches — the idea that, you know, the more Christian you are, the less tolerant you would be is preposterous.

DEUTSCH: That isn't what I said, but you said I should not — we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or —

COULTER: Yeah.

DEUTSCH: Really?

COULTER: Well, it's a lot easier. It's kind of a fast track.

DEUTSCH: Really?

COULTER: Yeah. You have to obey.

DEUTSCH: You can't possibly believe that.

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: You can't possibly — you're too educated, you can't — you're like my friend in —

COULTER: Do you know what Christianity is? We believe your religion, but you have to obey.

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, but I mean —

COULTER: We have the fast-track program.

DEUTSCH: Why don't I put you with the head of Iran? I mean, come on. You can't believe that.

COULTER: The head of Iran is not a Christian.

DEUTSCH: No, but in fact, "Let's wipe Israel" —

COULTER: I don't know if you've been paying attention.

DEUTSCH: "Let's wipe Israel off the earth." I mean, what, no Jews?

COULTER: No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.

DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn't really say that, did you?

COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we're all sinners —

DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued — when you say something absurd like that, there's no —

COULTER: What's absurd?

DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I'm going to go off and try to perfect myself —

COULTER: Well, that's what the New Testament says.

DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans," and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected. I'm offended by that personally. And we'll have more "Big Idea" when we come back.

(BREAK)

DEUTSCH: Welcome back to "The Big Idea." During the break, Ann said she wanted to explain her last comment. So I'm going to give her a chance. So you don't think that was offensive?

COULTER: No. I'm sorry. It is not intended to be. I don't think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to, you know, live up to all the laws. What Christians believe — this is just a statement of what the New Testament is — is that that's why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don't believe our testament.

DEUTSCH: You said — your exact words were, "Jews need to be perfected." Those are the words out of your mouth.

COULTER: No, I'm saying that's what a Christian is.

DEUTSCH: But that's what you said — don't you see how hateful, how anti-Semitic —

COULTER: No!

DEUTSCH: How do you not see? You're an educated woman. How do you not see that?

COULTER: That isn't hateful at all.

DEUTSCH: But that's even a scarier thought. OK —

COULTER: No, no, no, no, no. I don't want you being offended by this. This is what Christians consider themselves, because our testament is the continuation of your testament. You know that. So we think Jews go to heaven. I mean (Jerry) Falwell himself said that, but you have to follow laws. Ours is "Christ died for our sins." We consider ourselves perfected Christians. For me to say that for you to become a Christian is to become a perfected Christian is not offensive at all.

DEUTSCH: We will let the audience decide then, won't we? Ann Coulter. New book. More "Big Idea" straight ahead.

[ktl]

Well, I guess that is one step above the middle ages when Christians killed Jews. I think ann coulter should read the New Testament and see how we are to love others.

[sandy]

Coulter is brilliant, funny, witty, and inspiring. She was right about what a great world it would be if we were all CCRs. :D

On Jesus Christ: "There is no surer proof of Christ's divinity than that he is still so hated some two thousand years after his death."- AC

[kelly]

I love me some Ann Coulter. Sandy, I think it would be wonderful if Ann would've ran for president and received the GOP nomination. She without a doubt would spit and chew Hillary, any time any place. :D

[sandy]

I know! Can you even imagine? :boldred:

She would start referring to Bill as the 'rapist' and Hil would have a meltdown. :D

[ktl]

I really don't think that to hated by so many was Jesus' goal. The reason He is hated is not because of anything He said, but because of the many acts of violence by His followers, who killed in His Name. I really do not think that Jesus appreciated that too much.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Annie is as narrow minded as a pencil!

[ktl]

Annie is as narrow minded as a pencil!

She as narrow minded as the lead in a pencil.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Roflmao!!!!!!
:yelrotflm:yelrotflm:yelrotflm:yelrotflm

[X1TX]

I really don't think that to hated by so many was Jesus' goal. The reason He is hated is not because of anything He said, but because of the many acts of violence by His followers, who killed in His Name. I really do not think that Jesus appreciated that too much.

Jesus said the world would hate his followers because it (the world) hated him first. And that has come to pass. Jesus also foretold that the church would at some point become an aberration, and that also came to pass. It was not His followers that committed the acts of violence. It was those who had siezed the church by force. They may have called themselves 'the church', but it was not Christ's church at that point any longer. Christ had been driven out of that church just as God had been removed from the synagogues in centuries past.

[ktl]

Jesus said the world would hate his followers because it (the world) hated him first. And that has come to pass. Jesus also foretold that the church would at some point become an aberration, and that also came to pass. It was not His followers that committed the acts of violence. It was those who had siezed the church by force. They may have called themselves 'the church', but it was not Christ's church at that point any longer. Christ had been driven out of that church just as God had been removed from the synagogues in centuries past.


Which brings a question to mind. What does it mean to be a follower of Jesus? "Many will say, did we not prophesy in Your name......and I will declare I knew them not." Matthew 7/22-23 (condensed)

[Feisty Kitty]

This chick is CRAZY! If she thinks Christianity is a perfected form of Judeism, then does she think Mormons are a perfected form of Christianity? They have another Testament too. She doesn't even know what the word 'tolerance' means. Thank heavens she is so crazy conservative that no one will ever give her any political power!

[ktl]

This chick is CRAZY! If she thinks Christianity is a perfected form of Judeism, then does she think Mormons are a perfected form of Christianity? They have another Testament too. She doesn't even know what the word 'tolerance' means. Thank heavens she is so crazy conservative that no one will ever give her any political power!

methinks that with her statement, she will find that she has lost all support from the Jewish people.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

This chick is CRAZY! If she thinks Christianity is a perfected form of Judeism, then does she think Mormons are a perfected form of Christianity? They have another Testament too. She doesn't even know what the word 'tolerance' means. Thank heavens she is so crazy conservative that no one will ever give her any political power!

Exactly No one will ever give her any political power....

[Feisty Kitty]

methinks that with her statement, she will find that she has lost all support from the Jewish people.

Did she ever have their support in the first place?:confused:

[ktl]

Exactly No one will ever give her any political power....


This is a subject that should never had been brought up, and to top it off, she said it in a such a know- it- all way.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

This is a subject that should never had been brought up, and to top it off, she said it in a such a know- it- all way.

I wouldn't know I have her on ignore....Hehehe

[Feisty Kitty]

This is a subject that should never had been brought up, and to top it off, she said it in a such a know- it- all way.

She is the antithesis to all that Jesus preached. She shames the very religion she claims to support. She is up there among the Pharisees (spell?) and the televangelists.:throwup:

[Feisty Kitty]

I wouldn't know I have her on ignore....Hehehe

Who, Ann Coulter or 'someone else'? :o

[ktl]

Did she ever have their support in the first place?:confused:

That would be a question to ask Sandy...

My guess is that if they supported her at all before, they don't now.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Who, Ann Coulter or 'someone else'? :o


I suppose both...:D

[X1TX]

This chick is CRAZY! If she thinks Christianity is a perfected form of Judeism, then does she think Mormons are a perfected form of Christianity? They have another Testament too. She doesn't even know what the word 'tolerance' means. Thank heavens she is so crazy conservative that no one will ever give her any political power!

Then Jesus is also insane. He told his disciples that they were to "be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect." By 'perfect' she's not using the word in the way most take it. It means "completed", not the way we normally consider it.

[AngelBaby]

for the Ann Coulters was correct in some way but I cannot explain how to explain it

[ktl]

Then Jesus is also insane. He told his disciples that they were to "be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect." By 'perfect' she's not using the word in the way most take it. It means "completed", not the way we normally consider it.



It is in Matthew 5- it is about forgiveness and understanding. "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.......if you love only those who love you, what reward have you.......therefore you are to be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect." Matthew /44-48- condensed

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Then Jesus is also insane. He told his disciples that they were to "be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect." By 'perfect' she's not using the word in the way most take it. It means "completed", not the way we normally consider it.

Come on TX we both know that Jesus was Not insane but some of his followers are it does not make Christian's insane just as some Muslim people are insane that does not make all Muslim people insane...

[AngelBaby]

My friend who is a Muslim is not insane and she is very fear for her life and her safety because her Father is cruel to her.

[RushDog]

Jews won't be perfect if they become Christians, but they will be compliant, forgiven, and blessed.

[sandy]

Amen. And no one quite gets what Coulter meant.

[ktl]

Amen. And no one quite gets what Coulter meant.


And whose fault would that be? Should not Coulter converse in a way that everyone can understand her?

[TaylorHicksRocks]

And whose fault would that be? Should not Coulter converse in a way that everyone can understand her?

She should but she won't..

[sandy]

Hello. Newsflash. Christians believe all people ideally should be Christians.
Coulter has said nothing offensive. I leave Jews alone because they are God's chosen people.

Ann's not talking about forcible conversion. She’s saying Christians believe the Judeo-Christian tradition is The Way and those who don’t follow the path all the way to the end aren’t quite where they need to be. (There are even Catholic prayers to this effect.) The word “perfected” is dicey insofar as it implies Christians’ superiority to Jews but she’s only referring to doctrinal superiority as far as I can see, which isn’t exactly a bombshell assertion coming from a Christian. Does the left really mean to suggest she thinks it’s Jews, uniquely, who need to be perfected but Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. are all already co-equal with Christians spiritually?

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/11/coulter-jews-will-be-perfected-when-they-become-christians/

[ktl]

Hello. Newsflash. Christians believe all people ideally should be Christians.
Coulter has said nothing offensive. I leave Jews alone because they are God's chosen people.

Ann's not talking about forcible conversion. She’s saying Christians believe the Judeo-Christian tradition is The Way and those who don’t follow the path all the way to the end aren’t quite where they need to be. (There are even Catholic prayers to this effect.) The word “perfected” is dicey insofar as it implies Christians’ superiority to Jews but she’s only referring to doctrinal superiority as far as I can see, which isn’t exactly a bombshell assertion coming from a Christian. Does the left really mean to suggest she thinks it’s Jews, uniquely, who need to be perfected but Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. are all already co-equal with Christians spiritually?

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/11/coulter-jews-will-be-perfected-when-they-become-christians/

This all boils to what constitutes a Christian. Hitler claimed to be a christian. They burned people alive in the middle ages in the name of Christ. Christians killed the Indians, bought and owned slaves. Now, all those practices have deemed wrong, but when they were happening, they were considered to be okay by churches.

Being a Christian is more than just saying you believe in Christ, but also that we should be always kind and merciful.

Unfortunately, since no christian has yet said to the world that killing Jews, Indians was wrong, Jews are under the impression that is what Jesus wanted.

I have told Jewish people that is not what He wanted. And this was good news to them.

[sandy]

Millions of people say killing Jews was wrong. Every decent Christian preacher says it. :confused:

[ktl]

Millions of people say killing Jews was wrong. Every decent Christian preacher says it. :confused:

The jewish holocoaust was the first time anyone spoke against mass killings. Hitler modeled his extermination program after the US and the indian massacres. Hitler thought he was being humane using gas to kill people instead of bullets.

[Feisty Kitty]

OK, wow, I was away and the conversation went in a very different direction. First of all, XT, Jesus was so very not insane, because he preached tolerance, fogiveness, love, peace, turning the other cheek and that no one, NO ONE on the earth, be it prostitute or nonbeliever, was beyond his, God's and our forgiveness. The only people whom Jesus ever got crazy with were the money changers in the temple, those who perverted religion to push down believers and achieve their own ends. THAT IS IT!!! Read your Bible, and you will see.

Secondly, Christianity is a new religion, one that, around two thousand years ago, when it first originated, when held against the Roman faith, and even the very disrespected Judeism, was considered occult. To say that one religion, which bases itself on a previous religion, is 'perfected' is lunacy. I am sure that few here would tout the perfection of the Mormon faith, which is very similar to Christianity. It is based on a historical man (or men in the case of the Bible), who was 'inspired' by 'God' to write a new testament. (Yes, I am aware that we only have accurate historical data that Christ came only the one time, so I do acknowledge that, and help with your argument here) We can no more prove that Paul was inspired by God to write the majority of the New Testament than we can that Joseph Smith was to write The Book of Mormon. We cannot prove it. We either disbelieve entirely or belief by faith, something completely mental and spiritual and something completely unprovable. Yet, we just know, because we have an 'experience', because God 'speaks to us'. Cool. I am all for that. But how come only your god can speak to you? Many people of many religious backgrounds believe god speaks to them or through them. You aren't special or unique. You are just too blind to realize that others believe exactly what you do, just with a different name for god. The morals are similar, the tenants frighteningly close. If you don't believe that then ask yourselves why you are to be a warrior for Christ and get pissed at Muslims who do the same for Allah.

Next, don't even go there with the Jews, any of you. It is too sensitive, and too many people can be offended DRAMATICALLY, either by religious affiliation, race, or close contact with a Holocaust victim/ survivor. For the record, Christians as a group are very vocal about what was done to the Jews and how horrific it was. According to both Judeism AND Christianity, Jews are the chosen people; the rest of we riff raff need to take a number. Sure, a few of them killed Christ, but many of them believed in and revered him. Many don't, but
they are a people who have a much longer and more impressive history than do Christians. In fact, Jewish people as a whole follow more of Christ's teachings than do his self proclaimed followers. Over six million people lost their lives under the Nazi regime (another militant, fanatical group, this time, believing with a lunatic zealotry in Nationalism, which, in the historical context, has been referred to as a religion). Most were Jews, but other victims include Christians, Homosexuals, the physically and mentally handicapped, the mentally ill, those civilians who aided Jews in hiding/ escape, the subversives, and generally anyone whom the Nazis didn't like, thought were too dark in coloring or against whom they could form a weak argument. Jews in this country are, as a race and a faith, primarily pacifists, as they have seen what intolerance and solidarity have done.

Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. He didn't come to make up a new religion; his followers did that. He came to forgive THE JEWS! READ YOUR BIBLES!!! It is a history of what happened, albeit a history that is full of holes because some catholics (oh, did I mention they came before what you all believe too?) decided WHAT would be put in the Bible. Another group of men, apparently also 'inspired by God', got to decide what writings, out of all of the writings of all of the disciples and other followers, were going to be considered cannon. The whole thing is a hot mess and none of it can be believed, if looked at rationally. So, please do, look at it rationally, understand, be educated for godssake (pun intended), then believe what BOTH your mind and heart tell you.

As for the Native Americans, man, did they ever get stuck in a bad situation. Remember, those of you who complain about immigrants, you yourself are an illegal immigrant in the eyes of your god, and the law, although these poor folks don't even have a legal system going for them. Poor Native Americans. We destroyed their tribes, their culture their land, came in and paved our way into environmental crisis. Too many people who thought they were right, that their way was the only way, their god the only god.

No one with a heart after the Christian God should ever DARE to say they know best, that they are right. In the eyes of God we are all wrong; sinners, who desperatly need forgiveness. Therefore, how dare some of you ever speak against another, you prideful, puffed up louts, simpletons and dullards all! None of us are beyond reproach, and all need forgiveness. Put your pride away and realize your frailty, your faulty nature. I get it. I suck, even when I try my hardest to do my best for and by my fellow humans. I fail, all of the time, but at least I am open enough to realize it; to apologize ans ask for forgiveness.

So here I go. I am sorry if I offended any of you. However, I am tired of narrow-minded people who consistently offend my fellow humans and myself. I speak out,yet, ultimatly, I have to respect that you all may believe whatever you will, and I do.

I would just hope that you would look to the man who inspires your faithful vigilance and take a lesson.

[Feisty Kitty]

OK, wow, I was away and the conversation went in a very different direction. First of all, XT, Jesus was so very not insane, because he preached tolerance, fogiveness, love, peace, turning the other cheek and that no one, NO ONE on the earth, be it prostitute or nonbeliever, was beyond his, God's and our forgiveness. The only people whom Jesus ever got crazy with were the money changers in the temple, those who perverted religion to push down believers and achieve their own ends. THAT IS IT!!! Read your Bible, and you will see.

Secondly, Christianity is a new religion, one that, around two thousand years ago, when it first originated, when held against the Roman faith, and even the very disrespected Judeism, was considered occult. To say that one religion, which bases itself on a previous religion, is 'perfected' is lunacy. I am sure that few here would tout the perfection of the Mormon faith, which is very similar to Christianity. It is based on a historical man (or men in the case of the Bible), who was 'inspired' by 'God' to write a new testament. (Yes, I am aware that we only have accurate historical data that Christ came only the one time, so I do acknowledge that, and help with your argument here) We can no more prove that Paul was inspired by God to write the majority of the New Testament than we can that Joseph Smith was to write The Book of Mormon. We cannot prove it. We either disbelieve entirely or belief by faith, something completely mental and spiritual and something completely unprovable. Yet, we just know, because we have an 'experience', because God 'speaks to us'. Cool. I am all for that. But how come only your god can speak to you? Many people of many religious backgrounds believe god speaks to them or through them. You aren't special or unique. You are just too blind to realize that others believe exactly what you do, just with a different name for god. The morals are similar, the tenants frighteningly close. If you don't believe that then ask yourselves why you are to be a warrior for Christ and get pissed at Muslims who do the same for Allah.

Next, don't even go there with the Jews, any of you. It is too sensitive, and too many people can be offended DRAMATICALLY, either by religious affiliation, race, or close contact with a Holocaust victim/ survivor. For the record, Christians as a group are very vocal about what was done to the Jews and how horrific it was. According to both Judeism AND Christianity, Jews are the chosen people; the rest of we riff raff need to take a number. Sure, a few of them killed Christ, but many of them believed in and revered him. Many don't, but
they are a people who have a much longer and more impressive history than do Christians. In fact, Jewish people as a whole follow more of Christ's teachings than do his self proclaimed followers. Over six million people lost their lives under the Nazi regime (another militant, fanatical group, this time, believing with a lunatic zealotry in Nationalism, which, in the historical context, has been referred to as a religion). Most were Jews, but other victims include Christians, Homosexuals, the physically and mentally handicapped, the mentally ill, those civilians who aided Jews in hiding/ escape, the subversives, and generally anyone whom the Nazis didn't like, thought were too dark in coloring or against whom they could form a weak argument. Jews in this country are, as a race and a faith, primarily pacifists, as they have seen what intolerance and solidarity have done.

Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. He didn't come to make up a new religion; his followers did that. He came to forgive THE JEWS! READ YOUR BIBLES!!! It is a history of what happened, albeit a history that is full of holes because some catholics (oh, did I mention they came before what you all believe too?) decided WHAT would be put in the Bible. Another group of men, apparently also 'inspired by God', got to decide what writings, out of all of the writings of all of the disciples and other followers, were going to be considered cannon. The whole thing is a hot mess and none of it can be believed, if looked at rationally. So, please do, look at it rationally, understand, be educated for godssake (pun intended), then believe what BOTH your mind and heart tell you.

As for the Native Americans, man, did they ever get stuck in a bad situation. Remember, those of you who complain about immigrants, you yourself are an illegal immigrant in the eyes of your god, and the law, although these poor folks don't even have a legal system going for them. Poor Native Americans. We destroyed their tribes, their culture their land, came in and paved our way into environmental crisis. Too many people who thought they were right, that their way was the only way, their god the only god.

No one with a heart after the Christian God should ever DARE to say they know best, that they are right. In the eyes of God we are all wrong; sinners, who desperatly need forgiveness. Therefore, how dare some of you ever speak against another, you prideful, puffed up louts, simpletons and dullards all! None of us are beyond reproach, and all need forgiveness. Put your pride away and realize your frailty, your faulty nature. I get it. I suck, even when I try my hardest to do my best for and by my fellow humans. I fail, all of the time, but at least I am open enough to realize it; to apologize and ask for forgiveness.

So here I go. I am sorry if I offended any of you. However, I am tired of narrow-minded people who consistently offend my fellow humans and myself. I speak out,yet, ultimatly, I have to respect that you all may believe whatever you will, and I do.

I would just hope that you would look to the man who inspires your faithful vilgilance and take a lesson.

~Feisty Kitty Rests~

[Feisty Kitty]

What the heck did I just do? I only meant to edit. What happened?

(becomes frustrated at lack of tech savviness, looks toward tech savvy, soon-to-be spouse for support, sees said S2B spouse snoring peacefully, grumbles in frustration, which is somehow minimal on obsenities (odd) and posts, yet again)

Help, to the powers that be! Why did I post twice?

[sandy]

Ok. I agree with a lot of what you said but the big difference here "ask yourselves why you are to be a warrior for Christ and get pissed at Muslims who do the same for Allah"-- is that Jesus Christ NEVER asks us to kill for Him. allah commands muslimes to convert/kill infidels (Christians/Jews).

I respect that you have a grasp on most of this but the pc tolerance of islam will lead to the downfall of the USA as we know it.:(

As far as "believe what BOTH your mind and heart tell you", I disagree. Our minds and hearts are part of our souls. (Mind, will, emotion.) Our flesh (carnal man) HATES the Bible and everything in it. Our flesh will fight us to the death to get its' way. The Bible is spiritual food. I believe what my spirit tells me before anything else because it is the Holy Spirit.

Another reason not to go there with the Jews is they are God's chosen people. I don't get it. Most of the ones I know don't act very Godly. Some Christians get Jews saved but I'm leaving them alone. I have helped some convert in the past but I didn't have peace about it.

On immigration, LEGAL is fine. ILLEGAL IS NOT. :(

I will speak against evil muslime terrorists until the day I die. They are scum.:mad:

[RushDog]

Wow, Feisty. That was a long post. You must be taking lessons from SOS. LOL

[sandy]

While Ann Coulter faces charges of anti-Semitism for stating in an interview Christians are "perfected Jews" and wishing everyone would convert to her faith, at least one well-known Jewish political pundit wonders what the fuss is over traditional doctrine.

David Horowitz, editor of Front Page Magazine, says in his blog today he's received "a surprising number of e-mails from friends basically asking 'What are you going to do about Coulter?'"

"My response is this," Horowitz writes, "What else would a Christian hope for? That's the message of the New Testament: Jesus came to fulfill, complete, perfect the Law. If you're a Christian, that's what you believe

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58116

Yep. :)

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Feisty you have made several good points and I for one agree with you!!!! Thumbs Up for Feisty!!!!!!!!

[sadie]

Wow, Feisty. That was a long post. You must be taking lessons from SOS. LOL


U R THE WINNER FOR THE FUNNIEST POST OF THE DAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:p:p(lmao for real):p:p

[sadie]

Tolerance is really lacking in todays society. We are not open to any ideas other than the ones our 'mothers and fathers' taught us. If I had been born into a catholic home......I would be sitting here now as a catholic. Most people live in a box, they choose not to open there minds to any notion that God is a God to all and people worship differently depending on where they are from.
I am a Christian and my faith says the only to heaven is through Jesus Christ...so I believe that, yetttttttt I will never say that a person of another faith will be in hell. That is judging and it isnt my job to do that. I realize that how I feel about this may not be in touch with how others feel, but i follow my heart on this.....and the bible does tell me not to judge others.

[sadie]

I will speak against evil muslime terrorists until the day I die. They are scum.
You are right, you should speak out against evil muslim terrorists. Issue is not all muslims are evil terrorists.
:pI know, I know.......u think they are.:p

As for Ann.....if Jesus Christ had her demeanor and personality we would not have the Christian religion today. She is cold and intolerant.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Tolerance is really lacking in todays society. We are not open to any ideas other than the ones our 'mothers and fathers' taught us. If I had been born into a catholic home......I would be sitting here now as a catholic. Most people live in a box, they choose not to open there minds to any notion that God is a God to all and people worship differently depending on where they are from.
I am a Christian and my faith says the only to heaven is through Jesus Christ...so I believe that, yetttttttt I will never say that a person of another faith will be in hell. That is judging and it isnt my job to do that. I realize that how I feel about this may not be in touch with how others feel, but i follow my heart on this.....and the bible does tell me not to judge others.

Amen Sissy!!!!

[TaylorHicksRocks]

You are right, you should speak out against evil muslim terrorists. Issue is not all muslims are evil terrorists.
:pI know, I know.......u think they are.:p

As for Ann.....if Jesus Christ had her demeanor and personality we would not have the Christian religion today. She is cold and intolerant.

Again Amen Sissy!!!!

[AngelBaby]

who are the SOS?

[RushDog]

who are the SOS?

A secret society of waffle lovers, who don't post often, but when they do, it's usually very long, and informative.

[AngelBaby]

Do you mean likes what you just makes and who are the waffles? Here for my work there are the Belgium waffle lovers but they are all the fat womens.

[RushDog]

Do you mean likes what you just makes and who are the waffles? Here for my work there are the Belgium waffle lovers but they are all the fat womens.

They mostly love eating waffles, especially ones with bacon bits.

[AngelBaby]

Is those very good to like them?

[RushDog]

Is those very good to like them?

Probably not if you're a Muslim, or a Jew, but I heard that they're pretty good.

[RushDog]

So Angel, tell me, what is your background?

[sandy]

Tolerance is really lacking in todays society. We are not open to any ideas other than the ones our 'mothers and fathers' taught us. If I had been born into a catholic home......I would be sitting here now as a catholic. Most people live in a box, they choose not to open there minds to any notion that God is a God to all and people worship differently depending on where they are from.
I am a Christian and my faith says the only to heaven is through Jesus Christ...so I believe that, yetttttttt I will never say that a person of another faith will be in hell. That is judging and it isnt my job to do that. I realize that how I feel about this may not be in touch with how others feel, but i follow my heart on this.....and the bible does tell me not to judge others.

I am a complete 180 from my parents. My Father was kind of like a hippie. Mother was sweet and quiet. I am a conservative. They followed a man-made denominational religion. I am a born-again Christian. I got out of my box at age 3. I never conformed. :D

Jesus says the only way to Heaven is through Him. ("I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.) :angel2:

It's not judging to think a non-believer will be in hell. It's Biblical.

[ktl]

Ok. I agree with a lot of what you said but the big difference here "ask yourselves why you are to be a warrior for Christ and get pissed at Muslims who do the same for Allah"-- is that Jesus Christ NEVER asks us to kill for Him. allah commands muslimes to convert/kill infidels (Christians/Jews).

I respect that you have a grasp on most of this but the pc tolerance of islam will lead to the downfall of the USA as we know it.:(

As far as "believe what BOTH your mind and heart tell you", I disagree. Our minds and hearts are part of our souls. (Mind, will, emotion.) Our flesh (carnal man) HATES the Bible and everything in it. Our flesh will fight us to the death to get its' way. The Bible is spiritual food. I believe what my spirit tells me before anything else because it is the Holy Spirit.

Another reason not to go there with the Jews is they are God's chosen people. I don't get it. Most of the ones I know don't act very Godly. Some Christians get Jews saved but I'm leaving them alone. I have helped some convert in the past but I didn't have peace about it.

On immigration, LEGAL is fine. ILLEGAL IS NOT. :(

I will speak against evil muslime terrorists until the day I die. They are scum.:mad:


That is right. Jesus never asked anyone to kill for Him. So where did they get the idea to falsely condemn innocent people and burn them alive in the name of Christ?

[AngelBaby]

for the Mr. RushDog my backgrounds are the black and red picture for I can make the new picture for the machine with the all reds backgrounds

[X1TX]

First, FK, you are correct in that there is forgiveness for ANYONE through Christ. To say any less is to diminish His sovereignty and power. But, we are not to be 'tolerant' of everyone. Many times in scripture there are admonitions to put people who refuse to repent out of our midst. And by 'our' it refers to the church. But the church has never been faithful nor wise in doing so. That does not refer to those outside the church. Jesus told his followers to spread the Gospel (Good News) and if people refused to hear it the disciples were to shake the dust of that town off their feet and that it would be better for Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. So even He said there were consequences to refusal to receive the Message. But the consequences are His, and His alone, to dole out.

Hitler was not a Christian. He proclaimed to be the leader of the "Holy Roman Empire", a term going back to the days of the Kaisers. And yes, Hitler did kill just about as many Christians as Jews.

As far as anything being 'hateful' and 'intollerant', I reject any such assertions. In a debate it's easy to simply cast aspersions on your adversary by trying to tag them with a label rather than debate the merits of the issue at hand. In any debate on politics or religion (or footballl if you live in Texas) there are bound to be things said that one side or the other could perceive as an insult. When these issues get debated people tend to take offense rather than stick to the issues. There's enough anger and hate to go around. We're all human and we're quite good at spreading it. So both sides should filter what's said though that lens. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Though if you stay out of the kitchen you'll probably not get any waffles......

[RushDog]

for the Mr. RushDog my backgrounds are the black and red picture for I can make the new picture for the machine with the all reds backgrounds

Okay, cool. Thanks.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

First, FK, you are correct in that there is forgiveness for ANYONE through Christ. To say any less is to diminish His sovereignty and power. But, we are not to be 'tolerant' of everyone. Many times in scripture there are admonitions to put people who refuse to repent out of our midst. And by 'our' it refers to the church. But the church has never been faithful nor wise in doing so. That does not refer to those outside the church. Jesus told his followers to spread the Gospel (Good News) and if people refused to hear it the disciples were to shake the dust of that town off their feet and that it would be better for Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. So even He said there were consequences to refusal to receive the Message. But the consequences are His, and His alone, to dole out.

Hitler was not a Christian. He proclaimed to be the leader of the "Holy Roman Empire", a term going back to the days of the Kaisers. And yes, Hitler did kill just about as many Christians as Jews.

As far as anything being 'hateful' and 'intollerant', I reject any such assertions. In a debate it's easy to simply cast aspersions on your adversary by trying to tag them with a label rather than debate the merits of the issue at hand. In any debate on politics or religion (or footballl if you live in Texas) there are bound to be things said that one side or the other could perceive as an insult. When these issues get debated people tend to take offense rather than stick to the issues. There's enough anger and hate to go around. We're all human and we're quite good at spreading it. So both sides should filter what's said though that lens. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Though if you stay out of the kitchen you'll probably not get any waffles......


You are correct here TX so I must say that I forgive you Sandy, Kelly, and Rush but all of you will remain on my ignore list for all time because none of exhibit the kind of attitude I like to see in Christians you do not
have the grace of a Christian and a Christian is one who is loving and accepts all who are in their community and does their best to give a helping hand and to show them the loving ways of Christ!!! So I am a Christian and as such I choose to let whose words I am going to let influence me and whose words I am going to let go past without knowing what was being said.....you know that old saying "ignorance is bliss" well in this case it is absolutely correct.......and Angel you are not who you claim to be I am far to bright to fall for that!!!!!! So you to are on ignore.....
Heheheeeeeeeeee Now who is lost?

[kelly]

You are correct here TX so I must say that I forgive you Sandy, Kelly, and Rush but all of you will remain on my ignore list for all time because none of exhibit the kind of attitude I like to see in Christians

But .. but .. I was just gonna tell you that I love gay peoples ! But since you have me on ignore, you'll never see the love that is .. me :)

[RushDog]

You are correct here TX so I must say that I forgive you Sandy, Kelly, and Rush but all of you will remain on my ignore list for all time


Well, bless your pointed head. I can rest now.

[kelly]

Well, bless your pointed head. I can rest now.

Hey, would you send me some M-A-S-H Paraphernalia ? You know, Christmas is coming up and everything. :)

[Olbermann]

Annie is a creation of the RightWing propaganda machine that was built to destroy Bill Clinton. She was one of the architects of the perjury trap they used to justify impeachment. The fact that she's getting rich now, peddling stupidity and hate, is her reward from the GOP powers-that-be. She's like the hitman that keeps coming back for more payments. They can't risk pissing her off, because she knows too much...so they keep feeding her.

[RushDog]

Hey, would you send me some M-A-S-H Paraphernalia ? You know, Christmas is coming up and everything. :)

:yelrotflm

I'll put that on my list.

[kelly]

Annie is a creation of the RightWing propaganda machine that was built to destroy Bill Clinton.

And destroy him she did by cracky ! Oh no ... wait a sec .. Ann didn't destroy The Cigar-Man, it was his own lusts that destroyed him. Well, that and his desires for interns.

[RushDog]

Annie is a creation of the RightWing propaganda machine that was built to destroy Bill Clinton.

No way, man! Annie was created long before Bill Clinton took office.

http://www.genting.com.sg/en/live_ent/2004/3magic/annie/images/annie07.jpg

[kelly]

No way, man! Annie was created long before Bill Clinton took office.

http://www.genting.com.sg/en/live_ent/2004/3magic/annie/images/annie07.jpg

Maybe that's who he originally meant. :rolleyes:

[Feisty Kitty]

First, FK, you are correct in that there is forgiveness for ANYONE through Christ. To say any less is to diminish His sovereignty and power. But, we are not to be 'tolerant' of everyone. Many times in scripture there are admonitions to put people who refuse to repent out of our midst. And by 'our' it refers to the church. But the church has never been faithful nor wise in doing so. That does not refer to those outside the church. Jesus told his followers to spread the Gospel (Good News) and if people refused to hear it the disciples were to shake the dust of that town off their feet and that it would be better for Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. So even He said there were consequences to refusal to receive the Message. But the consequences are His, and His alone, to dole out.

Hitler was not a Christian. He proclaimed to be the leader of the "Holy Roman Empire", a term going back to the days of the Kaisers. And yes, Hitler did kill just about as many Christians as Jews.

As far as anything being 'hateful' and 'intollerant', I reject any such assertions. In a debate it's easy to simply cast aspersions on your adversary by trying to tag them with a label rather than debate the merits of the issue at hand. In any debate on politics or religion (or footballl if you live in Texas) there are bound to be things said that one side or the other could perceive as an insult. When these issues get debated people tend to take offense rather than stick to the issues. There's enough anger and hate to go around. We're all human and we're quite good at spreading it. So both sides should filter what's said though that lens. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Though if you stay out of the kitchen you'll probably not get any waffles......

I am not the one who said that Hitler was a Christian. I do not know who said that.

As far as tolerance, the Bible said judge not lest you be judged. It also tells us to forgive. Jesus didn't do much admonishing, actually. That was everyone else in the Bible.

I do not feel I have been hateful. I simply stated that people are hypocrites. I am not a Christian, so I am not a hypocrite. I am a lot of things, but I am not that :p. I have a big problem with people who profess to believe something, do the opposite and yell about what everyone else is doing wrong. And I do see all sides of something. Unfortunatly, I think I am the only one who is trying to look at this issue in an unbiased way. I respect people's personal beliefs, but my judgement isn't clouded by religion.

As far as waffles, we haven't had many lately! Too heavy! SoS is rarely home (he is gone most of the month on business) and I am not that in to waffles. I save them for when I really want to do something nice for my honey.

Angel, SoS is my fiance' and a mod on this site. He hasn't been around much, but I am sure he will be back when Idol starts, maybe sooner. He works so much and he doesn't have a lot of down time to post. He say hello to everyone.

[RushDog]

I am not the one who said that Hitler was a Christian. I do not know who said that.



That was Ktl.

[Feisty Kitty]

Thanks Rush. BTW, I laughed out loud in the middle of my classroom when I saw that pic of Annie. I scared my students who are working on an independent project. HILARIOUS!!!

[X1TX]

That was Ktl.

True. It was kind of a 'shotgun' response, not directed at any one post or poster. Just some generic thoughts in the thread.

Yes, there are a lot of hypocrits in the church. There's a valid reson for that. It's because the church is full of people. People with all their imperfections. If we in the church could just get rid of all those pesky people we'd be free of hypocrisy.

I just enjoy a good argument though. But at times I tend to get a bit caught up in it.

[Feisty Kitty]

True. It was kind of a 'shotgun' response, not directed at any one post or poster. Just some generic thoughts in the thread.

Yes, there are a lot of hypocrits in the church. There's a valid reson for that. It's because the church is full of people. People with all their imperfections. If we in the church could just get rid of all those pesky people we'd be free of hypocrisy.

I just enjoy a good argument though. But at times I tend to get a bit caught up in it.

This is so true, the church being made up of people, and therefore full of fools and Hypocrites. I get that. However, I choose not to deal with these people anymore. I do not believe in religion. It victimizes its own followers.

[kelly]

I do not believe in religion.

FK, are you an atheist or agnostic ?

[Feisty Kitty]

Neither, unless I am mixing up their meanings again. I do believe that there could be a god, although I am not sure. I cannot stand religion, so it doesn't really matter what god. I grew up Christian and have seen that religion do more damage to myself and my family than you can possibly imagine. However, my absolute refusal of religion does not have anything to do with my questioning the existance of a god. Religion is made up of and by people. It was created as a way for people to make sense of what they could not explain and to keep people in line. It is very separate from true spirituality. The two are not mutually exclusive, but one does not require the other. I know many religious people with no concept of spirituality, and many very spiritual people with no religious affiliation.

On a side note, every single person that I know with an IQ of 150 or higher does not believe in religion. However, many still believe in a god and the existence of a spirituality that cannot be explained. This might just be a coincidence, but it should make one think. I am surrounded by intellectuals, and none of them follow a religion, so............................

Just food for thought. Thank you for asking, Kelly.

[X1TX]

Listen to Malcolm Smith. He was an early comer to the 'Charismatic' movement many years ago. Central theme of his teachings are that God is love. In other words, love is not something He does, it's what He is.

And as I've said elsewhere, religions don't worship God, people do. I don't agree with Islam. But there are a lot of Christian churches whose doctrines I don't agree with either. But judge Christianity on the basis of what it is supposed to be, not on the way people behave. We're all just cracked pots of clay. We're all flawed at some level.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

You have a very good point there Feisty about those with a high IQ not following any religion as is the case of my youngest brother and my oldest brother (neither of whom are gay both are married) my youngest brother believes that the heavens and the Earth and everything else was created by "the big bang" my older brother is just agnostic and both have IQ's well over 150! My Uncles both of whom have the same IQ's also don't have any faith in God....even though they were raised in a Christian family....

[X1TX]

Those with higher IQ's tend to believe that they don't 'need' anything else, that they're self sufficient. While I don't agree, it's understandable. Though my own IQ ranks up there, I don't feel the same way. Who's right? Hard to say as both stances are based upon faith. I'm comfortable with what I believe and am willing to accept the consequences if I'm wrong.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I'm with you TX better to be safe than sorry...;) Besides who else could have created such a wonderful Universe!!:D No One But GOD!!!

[AngelBaby]

Jews are good and Christians are good also

[X1TX]

Not me, that's for sure.

For poems are made by fools like me
But only God can make a tree......

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Not me, that's for sure.

For poems are made by fools like me
But only God can make a tree......

I like that and I am going to remember it too I may even use it at some time!! That is if you don't mind.....

[ktl]

When I said that Hitler was a christian, I was trying to point out how people have twisted Jesus' teachings throughout the ages. Hitler believed in something called 'positive christianity' in which Jesus is a fighter against the Jewish people. This is not based on anything Jesus said, but that was no matter to anyone who was a member of the Nazi regime.

[sandy]

I have tested at 166-168 and I am the biggest Jesus Freak I know. :rolleyes:

Many brilliant people don't believe in God. They think they ARE a god.:(

[RushDog]

When I said that Hitler was a christian, I was trying to point out how people have twisted Jesus' teachings throughout the ages. Hitler believed in something called 'positive christianity' in which Jesus is a fighter against the Jewish people. This is not based on anything Jesus said, but that was no matter to anyone who was a member of the Nazi regime.

Well, either way, you were wrong.

[ktl]

Well, either way, you were wrong.

Are you trying to debate historical facts?

[Olbermann]

ADL Condemns Ann Coulter's Comment That Jews Need 'To Be Perfected'


New York, NY, October 12, 2007 ... The Anti-Defamation League strongly condemns Ann Coulter for her anti-Semitic comment that Christians "want Jews to be perfected" in an interview with Donny Deutsch on CNBC's "The Big Idea." During her October 8 appearance, Coulter suggested that Jews should convert, adding that, "we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. … That's what Christianity is."

Ann Coulter may be a political pundit but she clearly knows very little about religious theology and interfaith issues. Coulter's remarks are outrageous, offensive and a throwback to the centuries-old teaching of contempt for Jews and Judaism. The notion that Jews are religiously inferior or imperfect because they do not accept Christian beliefs was the basis for 2,000 years of church-based anti-Semitism. While she is entitled to her beliefs, using mainstream media to espouse the idea that Judaism needs to be replaced with Christianity and that each individual Jew is somehow deficient and needs to be "perfected," is rank Christian supersessionism and has been rejected by the Catholic Church and the vast majority of mainstream Christian denominations.

Clearly, Ann Coulter needs a wake-up call about the power of words to injure others and fuel hatred. She needs an education, too, about the roots of anti-Semitism and the shared values of Judaism and Christianity. Christians and Jews have worked tirelessly for more than 40 years to overcome the past and to promote a more tolerant and pluralistic vision for the future and especially for America.

Donny Deutsch is to be commended for his immediate and forceful denunciation of Coulter's statements, for calling her remarks personally offensive, and for rightly characterizing her suggestion that Jews are inferior to Christians as anti-Semitism.

[RushDog]

Just a hunch, but I don't think Ann is really worried about what the ADL has to say.

[sandy]

Uh, nobody is. Not even most Jews. If Debbie Schlussel isn't, no one is....;)
(Excepte the libs who want to start cr@p about Coulter daily. :()

[X1TX]

Clearly, Ann Coulter needs a wake-up call about the power of words to injure others and fuel hatred.

Dial 1-800-WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

First, there is an entire industry built on running to the press and talking about how somethign that someone said is "offensive" to someone. Cowboy up and get over it already. This is a free country and folks are free to say what they want. If it hurts your feelings, then change the 1st ammendment.

Recall years ago the "art" (and I use the term loosely) exhibit that had a crucifix in a jar of urine. When some Christians took umbrage with it the same people who now condemn the 'lack of sensitivity' of Annie said we should all just get over it and deal with the freedom of expression in this country.

It appears now that sauce for the goose is not necessarily sauce for the gander.............

[sandy]

Ann speaks the truth. She doesn't suar-coat it like many people. The libs HATE that. They sugar-coat all their causes: baby killing is "abortion", homo/sodomy is "gay", coddling terrorists is "sensitivity", supporting criminal aliens is "compassionate", terrorists are "freedom fighters", pornography is "art", criminals are "victims"....:mad:

If you despise evil muslime terrorists, criminal immigration and sodomy, you are a "racist", "bigot", and "homophobe".
If you support self-responsibility you are "selfish".

If you love/support your country/president, you are a "facist".:mad:

They are dangerous hypocrites hell-bent on destroying Christian values and my country. :(

[Feisty Kitty]

When I said that Hitler was a christian, I was trying to point out how people have twisted Jesus' teachings throughout the ages. Hitler believed in something called 'positive christianity' in which Jesus is a fighter against the Jewish people. This is not based on anything Jesus said, but that was no matter to anyone who was a member of the Nazi regime.

Actually, Hitler was obsessed with Christian icons. He really did look for the Arch of the Covenant and the Holy Grail. He believed in the power of these icons to lead an army to victory and provide eternal youth/ life. The irony is that the power he believed in came from a Jew, the very people he was trying to destroy.

As far as positive christianity, I am not sure, but I am going to do some research when I get the chance.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Actually, Hitler was obsessed with Christian icons. He really did look for the Arch of the Covenant and the Holy Grail. He believed in the power of these icons to lead an army to victory and provide eternal youth/ life. The irony is that the power he believed in came from a Jew, the very people he was trying to destroy.

As far as positive christianity, I am not sure, but I am going to do some research when I get the chance.

I had no idea that Hitler was that obsessed thanks for the lesson Feisty!;) It is very ironic that he was destroying the Jews and Jesus was Jewish..:confused:

[Feisty Kitty]

I had no idea that Hitler was that obsessed thanks for the lesson Feisty!;) It is very ironic that he was destroying the Jews and Jesus was Jewish..:confused:

Yeah, it is really weird. I thought that those Indiana Jones movies were fiction, but then I watched a show about Hitler on the History Channel. It was called "Hitler and the Occult" I think. It was all about how Hitler was obsessed with religious icons, primarily Christian ones, which does make sense as he was from Europe. The Bible does say that an army who carries the arch before it is invincible. The story of the grail evolved out of religious folklore, but it was considered factual in his day. Watch the History Channel when there are shows on about the Nazis, They are really interesting. I love that channel!

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Yeah, it is really weird. I thought that those Indiana Jones movies were fiction, but then I watched a show about Hitler on the History Channel. It was called "Hitler and the Occult" I think. It was all about how Hitler was obsessed with religious icons, primarily Christian ones, which does make sense as he was from Europe. The Bible does say that an army who carries the arch before it is invincible. The story of the grail evolved out of religious folklore, but it was considered factual in his day. Watch the History Channel when there are shows on about the Nazis, They are really interesting. I love that channel!

I bought from Costco about 3 years ago a pack of films about Hitler and the Nazis I wonder id it would be in there now that my son is older he should not be scared to watch them.....I will also watch anything on the History Channel about Hiter or the Nazis it's strange that I have never seen any of them because I love History!!!!! I wanted to be a History teacher but leave it to my mom who told me when I was about 12 not to be stupid only coaches were History Teachers because History is so easy and coaches are dumb......sheesh why did I listen to her......I never gave up on my love for History!!!!!

[Feisty Kitty]

I bought from Costco about 3 years ago a pack of films about Hitler and the Nazis I wonder id it would be in there now that my son is older he should not be scared to watch them.....I will also watch anything on the History Channel about Hiter or the Nazis it's strange that I have never seen any of them because I love History!!!!! I wanted to be a History teacher but leave it to my mom who told me when I was about 12 not to be stupid only coaches were History Teachers because History is so easy and coaches are dumb......sheesh why did I listen to her......I never gave up on my love for History!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually, she is RIGHT!!! Most Social Science teachers are coaches, but many of them are very smart. Some are really dumb though. TOO FUNNY!!!

It is never too late to get your teaching credential..................................

[X1TX]

Hitler was very involved with the occult. There have been stories on that for years, many of which have been substantiated. He was not a Christian. He may have used pieces of Christianity (the Maltese Cross) but he used symbols and bits from just about everywhere. The Swastika was a Hindu symbol IIRC.

[Feisty Kitty]

Hitler was very involved with the occult. There have been stories on that for years, many of which have been substantiated. He was not a Christian. He may have used pieces of Christianity (the Maltese Cross) but he used symbols and bits from just about everywhere. The Swastika was a Hindu symbol IIRC.

Yup, that is true!

[TaylorHicksRocks]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually, she is RIGHT!!! Most Social Science teachers are coaches, but many of them are very smart. Some are really dumb though. TOO FUNNY!!!

It is never too late to get your teaching credential..................................

You know as I was typing that I was thinking to myself it's never too late.....I would be an asset too because my mind is like a sponge when it comes to History......I even quiz my son all the time so that he is prepared if and when my little tidbits of knowledge may help him....It used to irritate him but now he is older he knows who Nathan Hale is and most people have no idea.....He knows about George Washington Carver.....and of course Patrick Henry and John Paul Jones.......I took it upon myself to read all the Biographies I could in 2nd grade and had to prove to the librarian that I could read those books.....having moved from Minnesota to Texas I was far ahead of my classmates....That's all I did all year was read the biographies while the rest of my class read the easy books..;)

[ktl]

Actually, Hitler was obsessed with Christian icons. He really did look for the Arch of the Covenant and the Holy Grail. He believed in the power of these icons to lead an army to victory and provide eternal youth/ life. The irony is that the power he believed in came from a Jew, the very people he was trying to destroy.

As far as positive christianity, I am not sure, but I am going to do some research when I get the chance.


Fiesty Kitty, a good place to some research is wikipedia. It has information on Hitler, including his religious beliefs. It shows that he believed in something called 'positve christianity', a doctrine in which Jesus is against the Jewish people. It is probably still in use today, as the doctrine of groups such as the ones who believe in the Aryian nation.

Of course, this doctrine is completely wrong, and not correct in any of Jesus' teachings. Jesus taught love and forgiveness, not hatred or murder.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I use wikipedia for quite a few things but I have not looked up Hitler I should and I will......I do however remember reading in the newspapers about the Wiki being flawed in some area's I can't remember which though....

[sandy]

Wiki is written by liberals. That's how it's flawed. ;)

[Olbermann]

Wiki is written by liberals. That's how it's flawed. ;)I believe that anyone here reading this post has the ability to write and edit information on Wiki. Even You Dear.

[sandy]

No thanks. I get my info from real sources. I only use wiki if I don't have time for real research and if I know for a fact their info is correct. :)

[RushDog]

I believe that anyone here reading this post has the ability to write and edit information on Wiki.

I guess that explains why it's flawed.

[X1TX]

I believe that anyone here reading this post has the ability to write and edit information on Wiki. Even You Dear.

Too many cooks spoil the broth.............

[ktl]

No thanks. I get my info from real sources. I only use wiki if I don't have time for real research and if I know for a fact their info is correct. :)

I find the wikipedia to be very reliable and loaded with information.

I have heard that Hitler was some sort of Christian all my life.

Who did he kill? Jews.....and homosexuals.......

To me it is no surprise that he believed in some kind of twisted Christianity.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I find the wikipedia to be very reliable and loaded with information.

I have heard that Hitler was some sort of Christian all my life.

Who did he kill? Jews.....and homosexuals.......

To me it is no surprise that he believed in some kind of twisted Christianity.

And after all he was after Christian relics.....

[ktl]

And after all he was after Christian relics.....

That is right. And he celebrated Christmas.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

That is right. And he celebrated Christmas.

Trying to get some people to see this is like well like hitting your head against a brick wall....

[ktl]

Trying to get some people to see this is like well like hitting your head against a brick wall....


Maybe they will believe after reading this.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

It may take awhile to download all the pictures.

[X1TX]

I find the wikipedia to be very reliable and loaded with information.

I have heard that Hitler was some sort of Christian all my life.

Who did he kill? Jews.....and homosexuals.......

To me it is no surprise that he believed in some kind of twisted Christianity.

Hitler killed almost as many Christians as Jews. Even had he said he was a Christian, so what? I could claim to be the Pope, but that doesn't make it so.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Hitler killed almost as many Christians as Jews. Even had he said he was a Christian, so what? I could claim to be the Pope, but that doesn't make it so.

This is true but plenty of people claim to be Christians but they don't walk the walk and they don't talk the talk in the end it is up to God and if these people have asked for forgiveness for their sins......I am in no way supporting Hitler or what he did but believing in ones heart to be a Christian can be deceiving to others....

[ktl]

Hitler killed almost as many Christians as Jews. Even had he said he was a Christian, so what? I could claim to be the Pope, but that doesn't make it so.

(I think the ratio of jews killed versus christians killed would show that there were many more jews killed.)

That is my point. Being a christian is more than just saying that you are one. It also means believing the things that He said... to have love for all your fellow men.

Hitler may have claimed to be a christian, but I think Christ would have though otherwise.

[Feisty Kitty]

(I think the ratio of jews killed versus christians killed would show that there were many more jews killed.)

That is my point. Being a christian is more than just saying that you are one. It also means believing the things that He said... to have love for all your fellow men.

Hitler may have claimed to be a christian, but I think Christ would have though otherwise.


There were over six million people killed under Hitler's Nazi regime. The exact percentages are not available. However, the majority were Jewish.

[X1TX]

(I think the ratio of jews killed versus christians killed would show that there were many more jews killed.)

That is my point. Being a christian is more than just saying that you are one. It also means believing the things that He said... to have love for all your fellow men.

Hitler may have claimed to be a christian, but I think Christ would have though otherwise.

From what I've read, the numbers are fairly close. But we're talking in the millions regardless. Needless to say, Adolph was responsible for a LOT of deaths.

[AngelBaby]

My Dad ask me who on here I would like to be with if we have the problems and I tell him the Miss Sandy, the Mr. RushDog, and the X1TX for they make the nice to me and not the teasing and the Miss kelly also. The Mr. Hicks make the tease to me also.

[RushDog]

My Dad ask me who on here I would like to be with if we have the problems and I tell him the Miss Sandy, the Mr. RushDog, and the X1TX for they make the nice to me and not the teasing and the Miss kelly also. The Mr. Hicks make the tease to me also.

Thank you, you seem very sweet.

[X1TX]

My Dad ask me who on here I would like to be with if we have the problems and I tell him the Miss Sandy, the Mr. RushDog, and the X1TX for they make the nice to me and not the teasing and the Miss kelly also. The Mr. Hicks make the tease to me also.

Thanks, but my wife might object. And given that she's the (MUCH) better part of me I would demur to her in regards to taking on any more companionship.

[AngelBaby]

For me I am very much looking for the new man for not the marriage man but you are very nice to me also and I will be nice to you also. For why the Mr.
X1TX is the kool-aid and the Mr. RushDog is the woman? Oh boy oh boy I make more confuse again.

[X1TX]

The Kool-aide man is in response to so many folks who have been "drinking the Kool-Aide". An idiom that essentially means that an entire group of people are sharing the same delusion.

[AngelBaby]

For is the idiom like the idiot who the Miss Sandy says is the liberals also?

[RushDog]

For why the Mr.
X1TX is the kool-aid and the Mr. RushDog is the woman? Oh boy oh boy I make more confuse again.

No need to be confused. I'm actually a lesbian, trapped in a man's body.

[Feisty Kitty]

No need to be confused. I'm actually a lesbian, trapped in a man's body.

hahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That was funny!

[AngelBaby]

For now I am the very confuse and must makes the leave now for I am think the RushDog was the man but the girl is in the picture on the machine and oh boy I make even more confuse.

[X1TX]

No need to be confused. I'm actually a lesbian, trapped in a man's body.

Is that why you're standing there pining for a jailbreak from the women's prison?

[AngelBaby]

For the Mr. RushDOg is in the prison also? Oh boy this can not be very good to him also. FOr now he is in the lesbian prisons?

[RushDog]

Is that why you're standing there pining for a jailbreak from the women's prison?

Yeah, I need to get away from Big Bertha.

[RushDog]

For the Mr. RushDOg is in the prison also? Oh boy this can not be very good to him also. FOr now he is in the lesbian prisons?

It's a joke, Angel. That's not me in the picture. It's Kelly Clarkson.

[X1TX]

It's a joke, Angel. That's not me in the picture. It's Kelly Clarkson.

Kelly Clarkson's in prison????? :p

[RushDog]

Kelly Clarkson's in prison????? :p

She's in the Clive Davis prison.

[AngelBaby]

For now I have to shake my head loose of these thought I so confuse and for the now have to go now oh boy oh boy I so confuse.

[Feisty Kitty]

Kelly Clarkson's in prison????? :p

HAHAHAHA!!! :p What are you trying to do to this poor girl?!

[RushDog]

For now I have to shake my head loose of these thought I so confuse and for the now have to go now oh boy oh boy I so confuse.

Well, sit back, and have a glass of chocolate milk, and you'll feel much better.

[X1TX]

Well, sit back, and have a glass of chocolate milk, and you'll feel much better.

Nah. Have some waffles with bacon bits in them. That should fix you right up. I hear that's Kelly Clarkson's favorite meal in prison........ :p

[RushDog]

Nah. Have some waffles with bacon bits in them. That should fix you right up. I hear that's Kelly Clarkson's favorite meal in prison........ :p

Actually, that's one of Feisty's recipes.

Yes, Kelly's in a prison, that she built for herself, so that she will never be hurt again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evYtJMo2VhY

[Feisty Kitty]

Actually, that's one of Feisty's recipes.

Yes, Kelly's in a prison, that she built for herself, so that she will never be hurt again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evYtJMo2VhY

SoS loves those waffles! I think they are a bit disgusting now.

[X1TX]

SoS loves those waffles! I think they are a bit disgusting now.

SoS is locked up with Kelly Clarkson now? Jeez, is the whole world going to prison?

[Feisty Kitty]

SoS is locked up with Kelly Clarkson now? Jeez, is the whole world going to prison?

That's what he gets for forcing me to make waffles everyday!

[RushDog]

That's what he gets for forcing me to make waffles everyday!

Small price to pay.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I used to make waffles once a week for the day care kids and loved them.....so light and fluffy cooked to a light golden brown...

[sandy]

When someone new comes on this thread they're going to think we're all nuts. That was FUNNY you guys. That poor girl. She's probably still confused. :confused: :D

[kelly]

I used to make waffles once a week for the day care kids and loved them.....so light and fluffy cooked to a light golden brown...

Make me some waffles please! :boldred::boldblue:

[RushDog]

When someone new comes on this thread they're going to think we're all nuts. That was FUNNY you guys. That poor girl. She's probably still confused. :confused: :D


http://www.emoticonland.net/smileys/Lol/lollol105.gif

[sandy]

There's someone here who reminds me of Mama from "Throw Mama from the Train". Remember that woman--Anne Ramsey, and how she would shout "OOOO-WEN!!" LOL!!:D

YouTube - Throw momma from the train (1987)

:yelrotflm

[RushDog]

There's someone here who reminds me of Mama from "Throw Mama from the Train".

Gee, who could that be? Good thing you're on ignore, or you'd be in big trouble!

http://www.emoticonland.net/smileys/Lol/lollol231.gif

[kelly]

http://twoheadedmonster.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/anne_ramsey.jpg

[sandy]

Did you guys watch that clip? I really did LOL so hard that my cat looked at me like I was nuts. :D

When I say LOL I really mean it. It really did make me laugh out loud. :D

And LOL to kel--see the resemblance?

[RushDog]

Well, we should be nicer to gays and Jews, despite our differences. Otherwise, we'll be angry like Mr. Rizzo here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Y3A4MFfYc

[sandy]

:yelrotflm

He was thow vithous...:D

[X1TX]

When someone new comes on this thread they're going to think we're all nuts. That was FUNNY you guys. That poor girl. She's probably still confused. :confused: :D


But that's just it. We are all nuts here.

BTW, interesting take on the whole Coulter issue from a Jewish writer.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDgzZjdkZjAyZDY5Yzk2NGE0YzU3MGMwNTQ3NWVmMTg

[sandy]

That's just it. No Jew can be offended when he really gets what she said. She was right. If Debbie Schlussel is not offended, no one is. ;)

[AngelBaby]

for I just come here to the machine and I confuse now already