Pro-Choice!!

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Link right here....women should have a choice!!!!

http://www.prochoice.com/

[sandy]

A choice to kill her baby? A choice for partial birth abortion which is stabbing her baby in the base of its's skull with scissors as it's being born, suctioning the brains out, and then throwing its' still-screaming corpse into the garbage can? DISGUSTING!!!:mad:

http://www.abortioninfo.net/facts/pba.shtml

Abortion is the most criminal thing a woman can do to herself. Killing innocent little babies is barbaric.

"A NATION THAT KILLS ITS OWN CHILDREN IS WITHOUT HOPE"

[RushDog]

A choice to kill her baby? A choice for partial birth abortion which is stabbing her baby in the base of its's skull with scissors as it's being born, suctioning the brains out, and then throwing its' still-screaming corpse into the garbage can? DISGUSTING!!!:mad:

http://www.abortioninfo.net/facts/pba.shtml

Abortion is the most criminal thing a woman can do to herself. Killing innocent little babies is barbaric.

"A NATION THAT KILLS ITS OWN CHILDREN IS WITHOUT HOPE"


I agree. I can't believe it was even brought up.

[sandy]

I know. Disgusting huh? And it's not pro-choice, it's pro-abortion. They need to call it as it is. We have pro-abortion and anti-abortion. I don't know how ANY woman could be pro-abortion. BLECH!!:mad:

[RushDog]

I know. Disgusting huh? And it's not pro-choice, it's pro-abortion. They need to call it as it is. We have pro-abortion and anti-abortion. I don't know how ANY woman could be pro-abortion. BLECH!!:mad:

Yeah, you're either pro-life, or anti-life. I don't believe it's a woman's right to stop a beating heart.

[SlighDawg]

Back when I was a heathen I was "pro choice". Then I got saved and all that changed. I thank God I never had to make a choice, I always knew for me that I would never choose to kill my baby.

I wish we had better ways to get through to people about the other, better choice. Too bad the liberals have a lock on charity and helping the underprivileged. That would be the target audience.

[sandy]

Too bad the liberals have a lock on charity and helping the underprivileged.

WHAT????? Bush has thrown more millions at charity and the "under- priviledged" than any other president. Republicans donate more to charity. And take less from the system.

[SlighDawg]

Do you have figures to back that up? I look around, I don't see the same world you do.

What W has done, is grant the largest tax relief in history to the top earning 1% in the US. I got a check back from him when he first got elected, I think it was 500 or so, his buddies got millions in relief. I won't even mention what he did to the poor folk in New Orleans.

[sandy]

"I don't see the same world you do." Of course you don't. I'm a Republican. Google it. Research it. Figures are out there somewhere. I know I heard/read them somewhere. I have no time for this.

That tax break creates the trickle down theory which helps the economy.

You got $500 from W? How much did you get from ANY other president? Nothing? I didn't think so...

Bush did nothing to the people in NO except try to get them evacuated. Their stupid Mayor and Governor were too panicked/moronic/prideful to help them. He did authorize giving them money and free housing afterwards. They used the money for hookers, drugs, alcohol, designer purses etc.. And trashed all the free housing.:mad:

I think we have a case of class envy here. How sad:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/real_record_on_race/new_class_envy_term_the_hyper_rich.guest.html

[SlighDawg]

Congratulations on being in the top 1%.

I'm happy right where I am thank you.

[lizzyj]

A choice to kill her baby? A choice for partial birth abortion which is stabbing her baby in the base of its's skull with scissors as it's being born, suctioning the brains out, and then throwing its' still-screaming corpse into the garbage can? DISGUSTING!!!:mad:

http://www.abortioninfo.net/facts/pba.shtml

Abortion is the most criminal thing a woman can do to herself. Killing innocent little babies is barbaric.

"A NATION THAT KILLS ITS OWN CHILDREN IS WITHOUT HOPE"

Pro-choice doesn't mean a person is pro partical birth abortion

and frankly your post is sick

[sandy]

That is the reality of abortion and partial-birth abortion. It is sick. And disgusting.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Pro-choice doesn't mean a person is pro partical birth abortion

and frankly your post is sick

You are absolutely correct and some women have abortions for very good reason......most during he 1st trimester......

[sandy]

What could possibly be a good reason for killing a baby? Inconvenience? Stupidity? Evil? Hate?

Have you ever seen the chart of baby growth? It starts immediately.
Help me understand how any woman who loves/wants/has children could possibly support murdering an innocent baby? The thought of it makes me sick.

The moral choice would be that if you’re not prepared to raise a child, you should not engage in sex. Weighing the choices AFTER you’ve become pregnant is neither moral nor responsible, it’s selfish and immature.

Babies can survive at 21 weeks. Abortion is murder.

[lizzyj]

That is the reality of abortion and partial-birth abortion. It is sick. And disgusting.

Sandy, the reality is, most pro-choice people (about 90%) of them are against partical birth abortion. Which means the chances of anyone on this board being pro partical birth abortion is so slim, but still you felt the need to give a discription.

Now, I read it, and have kept that image in my mind since then.

gee, thanks.

You need a warning label for that post. It's tacky, and uncalled for.

[sandy]

With all due respect lizzy, it's the truth. You either support killing babies or you don't. Even "regular" baby killing is barbaric. It's murder. Sugar-coating it by calling it abortion and 'pro-choice' doesn't make it right. It's still horriffic.

[lizzyj]

With all due respect lizzy, it's the truth. You either support killing babies or you don't. Even "regular" baby killing is barbaric. It's murder. Sugar-coating it by calling it abortion and 'pro-choice' doesn't make it right. It's still horriffic.

First of all, I never said I was pro-choice.

Second, pro-choice, means someone feels that each woman has the right to make her own decisions. It doesn't mean that they would ever have an abortion themself.

Third, you are the one who broght up partical birth abortion, and gave a detailed discription. I assure you the chances of anyone agreeing with part birth abortion is rare. And, practically impossible...based on statics...that anyone on this forum would agree.


Now, when I look at my daughter I see your partical birth abortion discription.

I don't want to read things like that, use a warning label.

[sandy]

I never said you were pro-abortion. Of course you're not. You have a darling little angel. You would never support that.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

With all due respect lizzy, it's the truth. You either support killing babies or you don't. Even "regular" baby killing is barbaric. It's murder. Sugar-coating it by calling it abortion and 'pro-choice' doesn't make it right. It's still horriffic.

So if a women was raped and did not want to live almost an entire year caring this child from a man that took her by force should be forced to have a baby.....hmm guess that's never happened to anyone you love......What about the young girls that are pre teen and have been molested by a family member guess they should have their bodies destroyed by having a child at a much too young of age......not to mention who the father is.....we have to have an open mind and understand their is a reason for everything......We will all be judged by our maker when the time comes.......Unless you are saying that you are Christ in the 2nd coming I don't understand why you have to sit in judgment of others........if you did say that you were Christ I would not believe you because I know What Jesus Would Do.....

[frank]

I know. Disgusting huh? And it's not pro-choice, it's pro-abortion. They need to call it as it is. We have pro-abortion and anti-abortion. I don't know how ANY woman could be pro-abortion. BLECH!!:mad:SandraMantralina;
Do you hate Kim?

I agree, abortion should be eliminated. Condoms, rubbers, adoption, birth control. If there are accidents, they should be adoptable.

[X1TX]

So if a women was raped and did not want to live almost an entire year caring this child from a man that took her by force should be forced to have a baby.....hmm guess that's never happened to anyone you love......What about the young girls that are pre teen and have been molested by a family member guess they should have their bodies destroyed by having a child at a much too young of age......not to mention who the father is.....

Agree these are terrible situations. But first, the infant should not have to pay the price of an action on the part of an evil person. They're the innocent party in this.
Second, it is never wise to make law or policy based on the lowest common denominator.
Also, statistically the number of abortions for cases of rape/incest are extremely low (almost to the point of being insignificant).

we have to have an open mind and understand their is a reason for everything......We will all be judged by our maker when the time comes.......Unless you are saying that you are Christ in the 2nd coming I don't understand why you have to sit in judgment of others........if you did say that you were Christ I would not believe you because I know What Jesus Would Do.....

Agree. We will all need to stand before the creator of heaven and earth at some point and answer for our own actions. But that is why some folks are quite passionate about this. They don't want to stand there and have no answer if asked "What did you do to try to stop this?"

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I know a young girl that was raped in junior high and she had an abortion.....just the thought of having to carry a child that was conceived in such a way is enough for me to think that the law is a good one....Also if she did have the baby and give the child up for adoption just imagine if the child were to search for his/her birth mother and find out why they did indeed exist in the 1st place....Now I have a sister that was given up for adoption by my mom before she was married so those records are no longer kept secret.....I live next door to my older sister and I am happy that she does exist.....I also used to babysit and one of the girls I watched was raped the Lord was with her when she choose adoption but she could not bear to even look at the baby and was depressed the entire time she was pregnant......I only know of 2......but isn't just one case enough.......

[SlighDawg]

What changed my philosophy, and I am not radical or reactionary by any measure, is Matthew 25:31-46.

I kinda base my life on that principle.

[X1TX]

Sandy, the reality is, most pro-choice people (about 90%) of them are against partical birth abortion. Which means the chances of anyone on this board being pro partical birth abortion is so slim, but still you felt the need to give a discription.

There could be 99.99% opposed to it but to date that's been a moot point. The restrictions on abortions were lifted not by "We the People" but by the Supreme Court. And there was no clear language in the Constitution to support their decision. Instead they relied upon Stare Decisis (their own precedents) and "penumbras and emmanations" to create Roe v. Wade out of whole cloth. Abortion is not a 'law', it is a SCOTUS judicial edict. And even the plaintiff, Norma McCorvey, has tried to get the court to overturn Roe.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I for one do think that there are circumstances when a women should have a choice and if they wanted to go thru courts it would be too late.....

[sandy]

So if a women was raped and did not want to live almost an entire year caring this child from a man that took her by force should be forced to have a baby.....hmm guess that's never happened to anyone you love......What about the young girls that are pre teen and have been molested by a family member guess they should have their bodies destroyed by having a child at a much too young of age......not to mention who the father is.....we have to have an open mind and understand their is a reason for everything......We will all be judged by our maker when the time comes.......Unless you are saying that you are Christ in the 2nd coming I don't understand why you have to sit in judgment of others........if you did say that you were Christ I would not believe you because I know What Jesus Would Do.....

Why commit another crime (abortion/murder)? The baby is an innocent by-product of sex. I do not support abortion for any reason. Ever. WWJD? He would NOT, NOT EVER kill an innocent baby.

[sandy]

SandraMantralina;
Do you hate Kim?

I agree, abortion should be eliminated. Condoms, rubbers, adoption, birth control. If there are accidents, they should be adoptable.


Who's Kim?:confused:

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I have to say Pro-Choice does not mean Pro-Abortion.......very rare circumstances should an abortion be performed.....

[sadie]

Pro-Choice is absolutely not Pro-Abortion. That is one of the stupidest things someone could say.

No one 'likes' abortion. But we need to respect the right to choose. It is a very difficult decision that some women have had to make. Fortunately, I have never been in the situation where I had to even consider it, but I am not as cold, calculating and narrow-minded as some on this site.
Actually, most Americans reject the absolutist position that it is always wrong to terminate a pregnancy and believe that abortion may be considered under certain circumstances. (ie. Rape and incest)

Most women seeking abortion have found themselves in a position where there is no 'way out' and abortion simply becomes a means to an end of an intolerable situation.

There will always be a question of exactly when life begins...even the Bible says life begins at 'breath'.
Other religions say at viability and some at birth.
Some religions are more extreme and don't even allow for birth control, that to interfere with the possibility of life is a sin. So to the guys out there, maybe you need to be more responsible in the shower and not waste so much 'possibility of human life'. And until you start being more responsible...we don't need your opinion on our bodies. :rolleyes:

I realize not everyone is going to agree on this but again......this idea that some here think they have the only opinion that counts is SICKENING!!!!!!!

THR and Lizzyj.......I support you both 100%. Don't allow closed-minded individuals to ever hurt you with their sinful 'stone throwing'.

[RushDog]

I don't believe in abortion in any circumstance.

My youngest daughter was supposed to have Downs Syndrome and Spina Bifida. The doctor actually told us that we should get an abortion. We refused. Instead, that Sunday when we went to church, we went to the alter, and all the women in the church laid their hands on my wife's womb, and prayed over her. A few months later, my wife gave birth to beautiful baby girl, who is now 10, and an honor roll student. When she was born, the doctors were totally dumbfounded because they thought they knew for sure she would be handicapped.

I'm glad we didn't listen to that doctor. My daughter might have very well been handicapped, but I believe that God healed her, and I'm glad that I had the faith to believe that he would. Even if she was born handicapped, I still would've been thankful for her, and loved her with all my heart. He gave me a beautiful daughter who has been such a blessing, not only in my life, but everybody else's she's known. She, along with my other daughter, is my best friend. If my wife would've got that abortion, I don't think we could've lived with ourselves.

That's my testimony.

I believe that God has a plan for everybody. Whether they were planned or unplanned by their parents. It's not up to us to decide whether they live or die.

Y'all can believe what you want to, and label however you want label things, whether it be pro-life, pro-choice, pro-abortion, pro-whatever. But as for me, I believe that abortion is wrong, and I always will. Plain and simple.

[sandy]

Rush- that is an awesome story! And that is what the power of prayer and faith is all about. I'm glad you're here. You're like a voice of reason.:)

[RushDog]

Rush- that is an awesome story! And that is what the power of prayer and faith is all about. I'm glad you're here. You're like a voice of reason.:)

Yeah, I'm very thankful that I didn't listen to that quack.

[sandy]

I think what happens is women listen to everyone else but their own hearts. If they truly focused inward, prayed about it, and rejected what everyone else was telling them to do, they would not abort and would have a beautiful little angel.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I think what happens is women listen to everyone else but their own hearts. If they truly focused inward, prayed about it, and rejected what everyone else was telling them to do, they would not abort and would have a beautiful little angel.

Well it's not for us to say how my friend in Jr. High felt after being raped and turned out to be pregnant.......I for one stood by her and understood how she felt we had been friends since ND grade.....When in this case the family decided that it would be best for Tracey due to the fact that she was 12 years old and became very withdrawn and depressed......talked to DR. and found that it was dangerous for her to give birth at such a young age.....her body was not prepared for such a thing.........I only hope you never have to see the frightened face of someone that has gone Thur such trauma......She did not want to have a child by this man she didn't even know and took her by force......I realize that this is a rare case but it happens and when it does It's a good idea for those who want options.......

[Dea]

First of all I believe no man has a right to even have an opinion about abortion..unless he has ever been pregnant, ever had to deal with it.....
Men can just walk away.......that is their solution.......women don't get that option...

No one has the right to tell someone else what they can do with their own body or tell them that they must have a child, plain and simple. You don't have any right to tell me that I have to give birth to a child if I don't want to.....

and no, I have never had an abortion......but that is just my feelings...

No one is going to tell me what I can or cannont do with my own body..
and if you came up to me and started quoting your bible quotes about the evilness of it I would then tell you where you could shove your bible...

[TaylorHicksRocks]

First of all I believe no man has a right to even have an opinion about abortion..unless he has ever been pregnant, ever had to deal with it.....
Men can just walk away.......that is their solution.......women don't get that option...

No one has the right to tell someone else what they can do with their own body or tell them that they must have a child, plain and simple. You don't have any right to tell me that I have to give birth to a child if I don't want to.....

and no, I have never had an abortion......but that is just my feelings...

No one is going to tell me what I can or cannont do with my own body..
and if you came up to me and started quoting your bible quotes about the evilness of it I would then tell you where you could shove your bible...


Very well said.......Men should not have a say! They get pregnant then they can!!!! Until then no way.....I don't know who many young girls have children and no daddy in the picture because they do just that walk away...my sister is one of them........

[X1TX]

Yeah, I'm very thankful that I didn't listen to that quack.

My best friend in High School was diagnosed as being a 'tumor' by a doctor. Sometimes he would introduce himself as 'Tumor'. Got him a lot of strange looks.

[frank]

My best friend in High School was diagnosed as being a 'tumor' by a doctor. Sometimes he would introduce himself as 'Tumor'. Got him a lot of strange looks.yeah, I've used that line in Bars....The tumor line gets a lot of trim action.

[X1TX]

yeah, I've used that line in Bars....The tumor line gets a lot of trim action.

Try it on Antoiletta.....................

[frank]

Try it on Antoiletta.....................

You're just a hater.

[X1TX]

You're just a hater.

I prefer the term "sarcastic b@stard".............:D

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I prefer the term "sarcastic b@stard".............:D

ROFLMAO!!!!:yelrotflm :yelrotflm :yelrotflm

[sandy]

The baby's sex is determined at conception. In the first 5 weeks the nervous system (Brain, spinal cord, hair, and skin) develop. Already your baby has the foundation for thought, senses, feeling, and more!
Heart and primitive circulatory system rapidly form.:D

In week 5 the first heartbeats begin - If you have an early ultrasound you may not be able to recognize this tiny being as a baby, but there is no mistaking what it feels like seeing your child's heartbeat on that screen. That rhythmic beat is echoed in your own heart. :heartpump

Anyone who could kill this baby is committing murder.:(

http://www.pregnancy.org/pregnancy/fetaldevelopment1.php

[TaylorHicksRocks]

The baby's sex is determined at conception. In the first 5 weeks the nervous system (Brain, spinal cord, hair, and skin) develop. Already your baby has the foundation for thought, senses, feeling, and more!
Heart and primitive circulatory system rapidly form.:D

In week 5 the first heartbeats begin - If you have an early ultrasound you may not be able to recognize this tiny being as a baby, but there is no mistaking what it feels like seeing your child's heartbeat on that screen. That rhythmic beat is echoed in your own heart. :heartpump

Anyone who could kill this baby is committing murder.:(

http://www.pregnancy.org/pregnancy/fetaldevelopment1.php

In your opinion but thank goodness not everyone thinks like you a lot of young girls would be struggling with a child and no one else in the picture.....

[sandy]

With the divorce rate well over 50%, mothers often end up raising the baby alone anyway.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

With the divorce rate well over 50%, mothers often end up raising the baby alone anyway.

I for one have never been divorced.......and where do you get these numbers pull them out of your head......

[RushDog]

The baby's sex is determined at conception. In the first 5 weeks the nervous system (Brain, spinal cord, hair, and skin) develop. Already your baby has the foundation for thought, senses, feeling, and more!
Heart and primitive circulatory system rapidly form.:D

In week 5 the first heartbeats begin - If you have an early ultrasound you may not be able to recognize this tiny being as a baby, but there is no mistaking what it feels like seeing your child's heartbeat on that screen. That rhythmic beat is echoed in your own heart. :heartpump

Anyone who could kill this baby is committing murder.:(

http://www.pregnancy.org/pregnancy/fetaldevelopment1.php

I agree with you 100%, as do alot of people. Thank God.

Abortion as a form of birth control, is one of the most vile things that exist.

[RushDog]

With the divorce rate well over 50%, mothers often end up raising the baby alone anyway.

You're right. However, there are more and more single fathers popping up nowadays, due to divorce. I used to be one.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I agree with you 100%, as do alot of people. Thank God.

Abortion as a form of birth control, is one of the most vile things that exist.

It's a women's choice not a man's so you should discuss something that actually applies to you and your life.......when men turn their back on a young lady because she got pregnant that is reprehisable....

[RushDog]

It's a women's choice not a man's so you should discuss something that actually applies to you and your life.......when men turn their back on a young lady because she got pregnant that is reprehisable....

Shooting Heroin doesn't apply to me either, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to say it's wrong.

By the way, I'll discuss whatever I feel like discussing. I was actually addressing Sandy, not you. Thanks, anyway.

[sandy]

I for one have never been divorced.......and where do you get these numbers pull them out of your head......

You're right. It's probably higher. I read over 70% somewhere, but that may just be CA.

[sadie]

It's a women's choice not a man's so you should discuss something that actually applies to you and your life.......when men turn their back on a young lady because she got pregnant that is reprehisable....

HA!
You are right THR.
And for the record, sperm is either male or female. So therefore, men 'throw away' children everyday. (by some religious accounts)

So men continue to voice your...'opinions'....but realize, they just aren't going to count. :eek:

(and dam* if it ain't an echo in here! Anyone else notice an echo?):cool_shad

[sandy]

Sperm fertilize the egg and make the "child". There is no baby without the egg from the mother.

And I find it great in here. Not much name-calling anymore.:)

[RushDog]

Sperm fertilize the egg and make the "child". There is no baby without the egg from the mother

Yeah, it takes two to tango.

And I find it great in here. Not much name-calling anymore.:)

I do too. It's much better now.

[sadie]

Thanks for 'lesson'...but I could write a book on conception.

Hmm, I guess you do like it, people like you usually like as little opposition as possible.

As for the echo.......I guess you didn't get it.

[sandy]

We don't mind opposition. It's personal attacks we despise.:mad:

This place is fun. Lots of interesting discussions. And hardly any more name-calling and personal attacks.:)

[sadie]

Oh, you mean like all of your racist bigoted comments! You know the ones, where you assume you are right.
I see.

[RushDog]

We don't mind opposition. It's personal attacks we despise.:mad:

This place is fun. Lots of interesting discussions. And hardly any more name-calling and personal attacks.:)

I'm having fun, and the new people here are a real joy to chat with. I'm glad this site growing.

[sadie]

And hardly any more name-calling and personal attacks.:)


Yeah, unless you are...

gay
muslim
from another country
don't like Bush
care about the environment
aren't the exact 'type' of Christian as Sandy
democrat
or your father is muslim, even if you choose christianity
pro-choice



A Christian person will only be respected for their actions. And when you show an intolerance and hardness toward people you actually lose souls for God. They don't want to be like you. So they move away from God.
Its one thing to believe a certain way and feel convictions for certain things, but its entirely wrong to show such bitterness to the people that don't agree with you.
People expect Christians to be kind, loving and forgiving as Jesus was, rather than see a person who judges, and is cold hearted at every turn.
There will be a price to pay for your words. You can twist it anyway you want, but the facts are in your posts.

And that should be a very difficult thing for a true good hearted person who loves God to live with.

[sandy]

Tell me, Sadie, how many people have you gotten saved this month? This week? Hmmm? How many new people did you get to church? How many did you counsel? I don't need lecturing. I know who I am in Christ. Debating religion/politics here is fun.:D

Showing intolerance for evil, abominations, and pathetic behavior is common sense. Being PC is going to end up hurting us all in the long run.:mad:

I am right with God. That's all that matters to me.:)

[RushDog]

Tell me, Sadie, how many people have you gotten saved this month? This week? Hmmm? How many new people did you get to church? How many did you counsel? I don't need lecturing. I know who I am in Christ. Debating religion/politics here is fun.:D

Showing intolerance for evil, abominations, and pathetic behavior is common sense. Being PC is going to end up hurting us all in the long run.:mad:

I am right with God. That's all that matters to me.:)

Don't mind Lucy, she gets a little rambunctious at times.

Once you get past the schizophrenia, she's really a nice person.

If you feel in your heart, that you're right with God, then it shouldn't matter what others, especially on this site, think of you.

[sadie]

Tell me, Sadie, how many people have you gotten saved this month? This week? Hmmm? How many new people did you get to church? How many did you counsel? I don't need lecturing. I know who I am in Christ. Debating religion/politics here is fun.:D
I haven't come on this site saying how perfect with God that I am....you have!!!
Even though I am not perfect with God, I am sure people see more love and kindness in me than you. Which means, people would in turn would be much more receptive to hear what I had to say.

But for the record, I have spent the last 15 years helping dying people...trust me I have spoken and prayed with more people than you could ever imagine.
I have never picked up a Bible and shoved it down someones throat....that was not Jesus' way and not mine.


I am right with God.
I hope so. I unlike you have done, will resist the urge to judge.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I am a Christian.....and I try my best to try and teach others about how wonderful God is.....he has worked wonders in my life and I am always eager to share what he has done........I think that some people have gone a little nuts here and need to take a deep breathe.....Then realize life is too short to belittle others......

[sadie]

I am a Christian.....and I try my best to try and teach others about how wonderful God is.....he has worked wonders in my life and I am always eager to share what he has done........I think that some people have gone a little nuts here and need to take a deep breathe.....Then realize life is too short to belittle others......

hmmm, now this sounds like a person with a good heart.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

hmmm, now this sounds like a person with a good heart.

Thank you sissy......you know I love ya'! :D I just came back from Bible Study too and it's always great when you gain a new perspective on life.....

[sandy]

I haven't come on this site saying how perfect with God that I am....you have!!!
Even though I am not perfect with God, I am sure people see more love and kindness in me than you. Which means, people would in turn would be much more receptive to hear what I had to say.

But for the record, I have spent the last 15 years helping dying people...trust me I have spoken and prayed with more people than you could ever imagine.
I have never picked up a Bible and shoved it down someones throat....that was not Jesus' way and not mine.
I hope so. I unlike you have done, will resist the urge to judge.


So what's the answer? How many saved? How many to church? I'm guessing none. I never said I was perfect in any way. Twisting my words won't change that.

[yayamiddlesister]

SandraMantralina;
Do you hate Kim?

I agree, abortion should be eliminated. Condoms, rubbers, adoption, birth control. If there are accidents, they should be adoptable.I agree - instead of murdering the baby (because that's what I call it), put him/her up for adoption. There are many, many couples who would love to have children but can't.

ABORTION IS MURDER - no matter how you look at it. Now, that's just my heartfelt opinion.

I do understand (not saying that I don't) why a girl would 'consider' having an abortion - like in an incest case, for instance. Let me tell a true story:
I know someone who had a child by product of incest. The girl was dating a guy who married her still - knowing the child wasn't his. Her child, a son, was her husband's firstborn from day one to four children later. They lost him at a young age - he died when he was 8 yrs. old - of leukemia. God took him when HE was ready.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I agree - instead of murdering the baby (because that's what I call it), put him/her up for adoption. There are many, many couples who would love to have children but can't.

ABORTION IS MURDER - no matter how you look at it. Now, that's just my heartfelt opinion.

I do understand (not saying that I don't) why a girl would 'consider' having an abortion - like in an incest case, for instance. Let me tell a true story:
I know someone who had a child by product of incest. The girl was dating a guy who married her still - knowing the child wasn't his. Her child, a son, was her husband's firstborn from day one to four children later. They lost him at a young age - he died when he was 8 yrs. old - of leukemia. God took him when HE was ready.

I still stand by my opinion that a women who was raped should never be forced to carry a child and give birth to that child.....I know of a case where a stepfather raped (molested) 3 stepdaughters....All 3 gave birth to a child within months of each other.....the youngest was just 11 when she became pregnant then 12 and 13.......I know that it was far to early in age for them to give birth and the DR. said that it would hurt their cahnce of ever having another child again.....all the babies were given up for adoption....the mother was out of it and didn't believe the girls when they told her what had happened......If I were the parent my child would have had an abotion as soon as I found out about the pregnancy......However if it was past the 1st trimester I would not have dones so...I don't know when the mom found out her daughters were pregnant........There are times when a women should be able to decide for herself.....

[sadie]

So what's the answer? How many saved? How many to church? I'm guessing none. I never said I was perfect in any way. Twisting my words won't change that.

I don't think any. I didn't even go to church like I should have this week. I admit that I am not where I should be with God.
I do know that I prayed with 3 people this week, 2 at their request and 1 at mine.

Remember, my point was that I wondered how many you lost this week.

Your posts are bitter. Like the one slamming the Muslim cab driver.....pure bitterness.
I see you tell us all, you are right with God, then I see you cussing in posts, gossiping, and showing ugliness toward other human beings.
(Muslims and illegal aliens are indeed human beings...Gods children. In case there is any doubt)


So yes, it makes me wonder about you...but I again I am trying hard not to judge you as harshly as you judge.

[sandy]

Muslims are NOT God's children. They have chosen to worship Allah. Allah is NOT God. And not another name for God.:(

I don't "lose" anyone. And no one is going to change their mind about God based on what I say on an AI message board.:rolleyes:

Reality is sometimes bitter. What criminal aliens and evil muslims are doing to this country makes me bitterly angry (righteously so). If YOU want to support criminal aliens who are destroying this country and evil muslims who want to convert/kill us, that is your choice. Just beware the consequences.:(

And yes, you are judging/attacking and we all know why.:rolleyes:

[lizzyj]

This forum may be the only place some people come in contact with a Christian. If they don't see a difference in us, they may not see the point. It's so important for us all to get the right message across to everyone, every day.

We will answer for lost souls.

[sandy]

Some use the 'sweet as sugar' method. Some use the 'turn or burn' method.
Both can be effective.

And your new avatar is adorable.:)

[lizzyj]

thank you!

She's the sweetest thing!!!!!!!!!!!

[sandy]

She is absolutely precious and she would look great in a baby AI shirt!:)

[lizzyj]

I should have sent her pic in for the gerber baby!

I know she would have won!!

[yayamiddlesister]

I should have sent her pic in for the gerber baby!

I know she would have won!!
You should have! She's very photogentic (?spelling)! Cute, cute, cute! Give her a kiss for me, would you, Lizzy?

[sandy]

Yaya- is that your child in your avatar? He's cute too.:)

[yayamiddlesister]

I still stand by my opinion that a women who was raped should never be forced to carry a child and give birth to that child.....I know of a case where a stepfather raped (molested) 3 stepdaughters....All 3 gave birth to a child within months of each other.....the youngest was just 11 when she became pregnant then 12 and 13.......I know that it was far to early in age for them to give birth and the DR. said that it would hurt their cahnce of ever having another child again.....all the babies were given up for adoption....the mother was out of it and didn't believe the girls when they told her what had happened......If I were the parent my child would have had an abotion as soon as I found out about the pregnancy......However if it was past the 1st trimester I would not have dones so...I don't know when the mom found out her daughters were pregnant........There are times when a women should be able to decide for herself.....
Please tell me the mother of those girls is no longer with the SORRY SICK PERVERT husband! And a lot of times the mother knows what's going on. I don't know if that was so in this case, but if so she's just as SICK!

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Please tell me the mother of those girls is no longer with the SORRY SICK PERVERT husband! And a lot of times the mother knows what's going on. I don't know if that was so in this case, but if so she's just as SICK!

No he's in prison and she is alone as her daughters want nothing to do with her.....It really is so sad that this is what it took for her eyes to be opened...This happened in NV and I did get a chance to see one of the babies as he was adopted by a friend of mine....

[yayamiddlesister]

Yaya- is that your child in your avatar? He's cute too.:)
Yes, that is my 21-yr. old son, Jude, with his (just made 2 on 02/17) daughter, Brooklyn Jade. Thank you!

[sandy]

He is cute and that baby is darling:)

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Yes, that is my 21-yr. old son, Jude, with his (just made 2 on 02/17) daughter, Brooklyn Jade. Thank you!

He looks like Phil beautiful eyes....

[TaylorHicksRocks]

An interesting article about who is responsible for Roe Vs. Wade...you gotta love it....

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Abortion%20is%20Murder/republican_presidents-abortionists.htm

[Grasonville]

If there are accidents, they should be adoptable.

While I realize this is rare but law must take into account the least among us - so the 12 year old who is made pregnant by Mom's newest drunk boyfriend should carry (and be stigmatized) by "adoptable"?

Why are Right to Life people bothered by MEDICAL "choice"?

I want a woman's most intimate biological situations to be governed by her and her doctor - not by politicians or pundits.

I find it amazing when radical Right to Life people feel GOOD about blowing up clinics with people inside - I guess only the "yet to be potentialy born" have a "Right to Life"

Call me crazy.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

While I realize this is rare but law must take into account the least among us - so the 12 year old who is made pregnant by Mom's newest drunk boyfriend should carry (and be stigmatized) by "adoptable"?

Why are Right to Life people bothered by MEDICAL "choice"?

I want a woman's most intimate biological situations to be governed by her and her doctor - not by politicians or pundits.

I find it amazing when radical Right to Life people feel GOOD about blowing up clinics with people inside - I guess only the "yet to be potentialy born" have a "Right to Life"

Call me crazy.

Good point.......they do kill innocent people all in the name of justice...

[sandy]

"Medical choice" is a pathetic name for baby-killing. How about we call abortion what it is: baby killing and murder.

I don't support anyone blowing up buildings but I am wondering how many were killed that way vs. the 60 million killed by abortion.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

"Medical choice" is a pathetic name for baby-killing. How about we call abortion what it is: baby killing and murder.

I don't support anyone blowing up buildings but I am wondering how many were killed that way vs. the 60 million killed by abortion.

They are not killed if there is no heartbeat detected.........

[sandy]

The baby's heart starts beating at 5 weeks. Most baby-killers won't kill the baby until at least 6 weeks.

Life begins at conception.

Next argument?

[TaylorHicksRocks]

The baby's heart starts beating at 5 weeks. Most baby-killers won't kill the baby until at least 6 weeks.

Life begins at conception.

Next argument?

Life begins when the heart starts to beat not conception.......well one could even argue that life does not even begin with a heartbeat....what about the women who are 5 months into the pregnancy and they lose their baby....
Next argument...

[sandy]

Life begins at conception. Your baby's sex is determined at conception. In the first 5 weeks the nervous system (Brain, spinal cord, hair, and skin) develop. Already your baby has the foundation for thought, senses, feeling, and more! :)

The heart and circulatory system rapidly form.

In week 5 the first heartbeats begin - If you have an early ultrasound you may not be able to recognize this tiny being as a baby, but there is no mistaking what it feels like seeing your child's heartbeat on that screen. That rhythmic beat is echoed in your own heart. :heartpump

Anyone who could kill this baby is committing murder.:(

[SlighDawg]

God says he knew us before we were made.

Jesus says we should work within the laws of the land (render unto Caesar).

I do support everyone's right to life. I do not support blowing up anything or harming anyone to do it.

The truth of the matter is, there are reasons that abortions should be allowed. I am not the judge of who is going to heaven or hell, and I know that everything is done according to God's plan. If God planned for a 12 year old to be raped and to get pregnant, then God will use that to do good. If that 12 year old gets an abortion, God will still be able to use that to do good.

Whether you look upon it as murder or a "choice", it is STILL part of the plan. No one can just compartmentalize every situation and decree a sweeping rule of thumb. Not for something so simple as puppy house breaking and certainly not for something as complex as this.

If all Christians walked in love, hate the sin but love the sinner, maybe we could make some real headway into this area. As long as people wave bibles and scream at the top of their lungs and shove pictures of baby entrails in your face... No, that ain't gonna win anyone over.

[sandy]

The reality is baby-killing is murder. It really is that simple.

[yayamiddlesister]

He looks like Phil beautiful eyes....
The first time I ever saw Phil I noticed the resemblance. I think that's about when I changed my avatar (once I figured out how to do it - Lol).
One day I may post a picture of myself - and I'm not in NO WAY conceited (in fact, I'm very modest), but Jude has my eyes - big and blue. Brooklyn didn't keep the blue eyes, they're kind of like light brown with specks of green - still pretty, though. She just left here. She spent the night with Maw Tina and Paw Mike. She is adorable. She can count to 10, sing her ABC's, and she surprised me a while ago. I have a flag hanging in my garage and she pointed to it and said 'flag'. Then when I asked if she wanted to say the 'Pledge of Allegiance', she put her hand on her heart and as I recited the pledge, she said it with me (not perfectly, of course, but in her 2 yr. old language and pronunctiation).
Okay, enough bragging. :)
Oh wait - one more thing and then I'll stop - yesterday evening as I was reading the 'What happened to Kellie Pickler?' post (she was sitting on my lap)and she saw the picture of Kellie, she said 'Ameri I-al' - I asked 'what' and she repeated it and I said 'you saw her on American Idol? She said, 'yes' and nodded her head.
So, she's an AI fan too! She said nothing about the cleavage - :D

[sandy]

"I have a flag hanging in my garage and she pointed to it and said 'flag'. Then when I asked if she wanted to say the 'Pledge of Allegiance', she put her hand on her heart and as I recited the pledge, she said it with me (not perfectly, of course, but in her 2 yr. old language and pronunctiation)."

The start of a patriotic American. Awesome!:)

[yayamiddlesister]

"I have a flag hanging in my garage and she pointed to it and said 'flag'. Then when I asked if she wanted to say the 'Pledge of Allegiance', she put her hand on her heart and as I recited the pledge, she said it with me (not perfectly, of course, but in her 2 yr. old language and pronunctiation)."

The start of a patriotic American. Awesome!:)

She is/will definitely being/be taught to be a patriotic American - and to NEVER take 'Under God' out of the 'Pledge....'

[sandy]

America needs more people like you and her.:)

[TaylorHicksRocks]

The first time I ever saw Phil I noticed the resemblance. I think that's about when I changed my avatar (once I figured out how to do it - Lol).
One day I may post a picture of myself - and I'm not in NO WAY conceited (in fact, I'm very modest), but Jude has my eyes - big and blue. Brooklyn didn't keep the blue eyes, they're kind of like light brown with specks of green - still pretty, though. She just left here. She spent the night with Maw Tina and Paw Mike. She is adorable. She can count to 10, sing her ABC's, and she surprised me a while ago. I have a flag hanging in my garage and she pointed to it and said 'flag'. Then when I asked if she wanted to say the 'Pledge of Allegiance', she put her hand on her heart and as I recited the pledge, she said it with me (not perfectly, of course, but in her 2 yr. old language and pronunctiation).
Okay, enough bragging. :)
Oh wait - one more thing and then I'll stop - yesterday evening as I was reading the 'What happened to Kellie Pickler?' post (she was sitting on my lap)and she saw the picture of Kellie, she said 'Ameri I-al' - I asked 'what' and she repeated it and I said 'you saw her on American Idol? She said, 'yes' and nodded her head.
So, she's an AI fan too! She said nothing about the cleavage - :D



Oh how cute....Perhaps she will grow up and become a singing sensation as well....My son also learned the Pledge Of Alligance at a very young age...with my husband being a Vietnam Vet I had to convince him how important it was to fly the Flag....he didn't want to because he said American spit upon him which I understand......it had to be very difficult

[yayamiddlesister]

Oh how cute....Perhaps she will grow up and become a singing sensation as well....My son also learned the Pledge Of Alligance at a very young age...with my husband being a Vietnam Vet I had to convince him how important it was to fly the Flag....he didn't want to because he said American spit upon him which I understand......it had to be very difficult
She just might. She likes to 'sing' and dance. She shakes her little booty, too.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

She just might. She likes to 'sing' and dance. She shakes her little booty, too.

Sounds as if she is on her way.....;)

[sandy]

Back to the topic if I may....

Baby killers are butchering women and feds are shutting down their butcher shops as fast as they can. One woman suffered two strokes, a collapsed lung, massive blood loss, neurological damage, and removal of her uterus as a result of her abortion. :mad:

Feds closed 18 baby-killing shops this past year because of investigations of deaths or injury. :(

"The woman showed remarkable courage in first being willing to admit that she should not have had the abortion. We pray her lawsuit succeeds in helping to permanently close this high-volume baby-killing center."

Planned Parenthood, the biggest baby-killers, have seen significant declines in the number of its butcher shops. They have 817 now, the lowest it has been since 1987. Americans are rejecting Planned Parenthood and its agenda…:)

I HATE that our tax dollars go to these baby-killing mills.:mad:

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Back to the topic if I may....

Baby killers are butchering women and feds are shutting down their butcher shops as fast as they can. One woman suffered two strokes, a collapsed lung, massive blood loss, neurological damage, and removal of her uterus as a result of her abortion. :mad:

Feds closed 18 baby-killing shops this past year because of investigations of deaths or injury. :(

"The woman showed remarkable courage in first being willing to admit that she should not have had the abortion. We pray her lawsuit succeeds in helping to permanently close this high-volume baby-killing center."

Planned Parenthood, the biggest baby-killers, have seen significant declines in the number of its butcher shops. They have 817 now, the lowest it has been since 1987. Americans are rejecting Planned Parenthood and its agenda…:)

I HATE that our tax dollars go to these baby-killing mills.:mad:


You hate too much.....Love is what God wants us to do......you know you catch more flies with sugar rather than vinegar....

[sandy]

Thank God George W. Bush signed the Partial-birth baby-killing ban into law. Clinton was disappointed. He vetoed the ban twice. Probably wanted all options open for the women he raped.

Partial birth baby killing is a brutal, horriffic act that no one should tolerate. You wouldn't treat an animal this way. Most partial-birth baby killings were done on healthy children of healthy mothers.

How could anyone support such brutal killing of an innocent baby?:(


http://www.jeremiahproject.com/culture/partbirthabortion.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Thank God George W. Bush signed the Partial-birth baby-killing ban into law. Clinton was disappointed. He vetoed the ban twice. Probably wanted all options open for the women he raped.

Partial birth baby killing is a brutal, horriffic act that no one should tolerate. You wouldn't treat an animal this way. Most partial-birth baby killings were done on healthy children of healthy mothers.

How could anyone support such brutal killing of an innocent baby?:(


http://www.jeremiahproject.com/culture/partbirthabortion.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick


I think you have lost your mind.:eek: ...Not to worry I will help you seach!

[sandy]

I feel sorry for this kid. Her mother tried to abort her and she lived anyway. The woman should just give the kid up for adoption but instead is choosing to sue all the doctors involved. Can you even imagine what her life is going to be like? People really screw up kids ....:(

BOSTON --Jenniferr Raper, 45, a Boston woman who gave birth after a failed abortion has filed a lawsuit against two doctors and Planned Parenthood seeking the costs of raising her child....

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/03/07/boston_woman_sues_for_child_rearing_costs_after_fa iled_abortion/

Unbelievable:rolleyes:

[Dea]

Thank God George W. Bush signed the Partial-birth baby-killing ban into law. Clinton was disappointed. He vetoed the ban twice. Probably wanted all options open for the women he raped.

Partial birth baby killing is a brutal, horriffic act that no one should tolerate. You wouldn't treat an animal this way. Most partial-birth baby killings were done on healthy children of healthy mothers.

How could anyone support such brutal killing of an innocent baby?:(


http://www.jeremiahproject.com/culture/partbirthabortion.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick


Actually, vets do abortions on animals........

[sandy]

Partial birth? I can't even imagine why.:(

And I have to laugh at people's thinking I am so mean when abortion is the most horrendous thing you can do to a baby.

Oh, and in regards to .....".you know you catch more flies with sugar rather than vinegar"....
I am not interested in catching any flies.

[Dea]

Partial birth? I can't even imagine why.:(

And I have to laugh at people's thinking I am so mean when abortion is the most horrendous thing you can do to a baby.

Oh, and in regards to .....".you know you catch more flies with sugar rather than vinegar"....
I am not interested in catching any flies.


Why do they do them on animals (pets)?
Simply not to bring anymore unwanted pets into the world....

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Partial birth? I can't even imagine why.:(

And I have to laugh at people's thinking I am so mean when abortion is the most horrendous thing you can do to a baby.

Oh, and in regards to .....".you know you catch more flies with sugar rather than vinegar"....
I am not interested in catching any flies.

You have no idea how things truly are......If you pulled your head out of the sand you would realize that.......:p

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Partial Birth abortions are rare......most are done in the first trimester..

[sandy]

"Partial-birth abortion (PBA) is a non-medical term used to refer to some LATE-term abortion procedures."

No matter when it's done, it's barbaric to hear an innocent baby screaming in horriffic pain. Only a monster would condone killing a baby. :mad:

[sandy]

I just saw an ad for e-cards for women who get abortions. What will they think of next?

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/03/14/finally-abortion-e-cards-now-available/

[frank]

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