9 Shot in New Orleans as MardiGras Begins

[sandy]

I don't know what should be done about New Orleans. Some people said after 911 that we should just turn it into an island--a tourist-type place--because it is a bowl that should not be rebuilt. And that hurricanes will hit and hurt it again.

I'm more concerned about the behavior of the people there. I was appalled at the videos of the looters and people shooting at police/FEMA/rescue workers.
Their crime rate is astronomical.

What is the solution? How do you think we should clean up New Orleans? Or should we?

We have sent millions of dollars there but I don't see much progress.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/16/D8NB2LS00.html

[RushDog]

I don't know what should be done about New Orleans. Some people said after 911 that we should just turn it into an island--a tourist-type place--because it is a bowl that should not be rebuilt. And that hurricanes will hit and hurt it again.

I'm more concerned about the behavior of the people there. I was appalled at the videos of the looters and people shooting at police/FEMA/rescue workers.
Their crime rate is astronomical.

What is the solution? How do you think we should clean up New Orleans? Or should we?

We have sent millions of dollars there but I don't see much progress.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/16/D8NB2LS00.html


New Orleans. I know I'm going to piss some people off here.

New Orleans, and the state of Louisiana in general is very corrupt, to say the least.

The flood was not George Bush's or the Federal government's fault in general. I blame it all on the City and State Government.

They were given money by the Federal Government to fix the Levee. However, they didn't fix it, and many lives were lost and destroyed.

What did the Mayor of New Orleans do? Blame George Bush.

And, the law enforcement issues. OMG! People that were seeking shelter in the Superdome were raped and assaulted inside the Dome! WTF!

There were also looters and all other kinds of tomfoolery going on because of the flood.

Mississippi was just as flooded, and they didn't have the law enforcement issues that New Orleans had, because everybody knows that Mississippi cops will shoot you, if you get out of line. I don't have a problem with that.

Has New Orleans fixed up the neighborhoods? No, they decided to fix up the Superdome, where really only the rich can afford to go to the games.

Instead, they decided to send their losers and degenerates to Houston, Texas where they have caused all kinds of criminal activity. You know it's bad when the Mayor of Houston tells you to get out because you don't know how to act.

[sandy]

I have to agree with most of what you said. I knew people who were wiped out in NO. They came here, settled with their insurance company, went home and rebuilt. They didn't loot, steal, pillage, or behave poorly.

Many "refugees" destroyed the Superdome, Astrodome, hotel rooms, trailers, and every thing else they were given.

I think LA's problem is the entitlement mentality. Too much welfare and handouts pre- and post-Katrina. Yes the people deserved help rebuilding but so many just took the money and squandered it. Look at the $2000 aidcards used for designer purses and strippers.:rolleyes:

Governor Blanco is incompetent. She REFUSED Bush's PLEA to evacuate "FOR GOD'S SAKE!" And Mayor Nagin's impotency in not using the parked buses was idiotic. Plus his comment about restoring NO to a "chocolate"
city pissed off a lot of people who donated.

[yayamiddlesister]

New Orleans. I know I'm going to piss some people off here.

New Orleans, and the state of Louisiana in general is very corrupt, to say the least.

The flood was not George Bush's or the Federal government's fault in general. I blame it all on the City and State Government.

They were given money by the Federal Government to fix the Levee. However, they didn't fix it, and many lives were lost and destroyed.

What did the Mayor of New Orleans do? Blame George Bush.

And, the law enforcement issues. OMG! People that were seeking shelter in the Superdome were raped and assaulted inside the Dome! WTF!

There were also looters and all other kinds of tomfoolery going on because of the flood.

Mississippi was just as flooded, and they didn't have the law enforcement issues that New Orleans had, because everybody knows that Mississippi cops will shoot you, if you get out of line. I don't have a problem with that.

Has New Orleans fixed up the neighborhoods? No, they decided to fix up the Superdome, where really only the rich can afford to go to the games.

Instead, they decided to send their losers and degenerates to Houston, Texas where they have caused all kinds of criminal activity. You know it's bad when the Mayor of Houston tells you to get out because you don't know how to act.

I think you may be referring to me (being pissed off). I don't live IN New Orleans - about 50 miles west. I AGREE WITH WHAT BOTH YOU AND SANDY SAY! I very seldom go to N.O. and at this time of year (Mardi Gras) - NEVER!

I hate to listen to the news every day - to hear of how many murders that took place the night before. The crime is worse now than it's ever been!

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I have to say that I have friends that live in New Orleans and they went back as soon as possible to help those in need that did not get out....the President was not their to help had it been in Florida he would have sent in aid right away as we have seen in the past.....however New Orleans being a poor city was left to deal with this tragedy by them selves it was not right! A very good friend of mine owns his own company and he made sure his family was safe before going back. He brought in water and food this broke my heart.....people are people and it should not make any difference where they live or what they have to offer.....

[sandy]

It is not the president's job to rush over and bail everyone out. That's what local and state government is for. And NO's local and state governments failed miserably. Nagin in his penthouse NOT sending out the buses while people were stranded on roofs. (People who REFUSED to evacuate.) And Blanco defying Bush and refusing to order evacuations immediately. NO is a big F-up. It always has been. The only thing most of it is good at is debauchery. I say turn it into an island. That's what it is anyway.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

It is not the president's job to rush over and bail everyone out. That's what local and state government is for. And NO's local and state governments failed miserably. Nagin in his penthouse NOT sending out the buses while people were stranded on roofs. (People who REFUSED to evacuate.) And Blanco defying Bush and refusing to order evacuations immediately. NO is a big F-up. It always has been. The only thing most of it is good at is debauchery. I say turn it into an island. That's what it is anyway.

However when it happens in Florida that is exactly what he does......now why is it because his brother is the Governor or because the state has more money or because he likes the sate of Florida better because we get Orange juice from them.....Hmm makes one stop and think.....why not New Orleans because they are poor and they don't give us any Orange Juice.....so they just leave dead bodies floating around......now that is a neat thing for our President to be remembered for......this will be in the History books....I know for a fact that New Orleans is a prosperous city they have a lot to offer and for our President to turn his back on the people that live there is wrong!!!!

[sandy]

No. Jeb handles Florida just fine thank you. He is a shining example of what a governor SHOULD be. He orders evacuations as soon as Dopplar shows a threat/hurricane. He would make a GREAT president.:)

President Bush PLEADED with Democrat NO Governor Katherine Blanco to order evacuations. She didn't. She knew better. HA! She and her "chocolate" Democrat Mayor Ray Nagin screwed that one up royally. :mad:

One of the few prosperous areas in NO is probably the French Quarter--debauchery central.:(

President Bush turned his back on no one. The know-it-alls REFUSED to evacuate then got stuck. BAD CHOICE! The ones who evacuated like they were told are doing much better.

Personal responsibility is a big thing. It's one of the differences between medocrity/failure and success.

Yes I feel sorry for the true victims of Katrina. The children, pets, people who didn't know to evacuate, honest aid workers, etc... That's why I donated.

[RushDog]

No. Jeb handles Florida just fine thank you. He is a shining example of what a governor SHOULD be. He orders evacuations as soon as Dopplar shows a threat/hurricane. He would make a GREAT president.:)

President Bush PLEADED with Democrat NO Governor Katherine Blanco to order evacuations. She didn't. She knew better. HA! She and her "chocolate" Democrat Mayor Ray Nagin screwed that one up royally. :mad:

One of the few prosperous areas in NO is probably the French Quarter--debauchery central.:(

President Bush turned his back on no one. The know-it-alls REFUSED to evacuate then got stuck. BAD CHOICE! The ones who evacuated like they were told are doing much better.

Personal responsibility is a big thing. It's one of the differences between medocrity/failure and success.

Yes I feel sorry for the true victims of Katrina. The children, pets, people who didn't know to evacuate, honest aid workers, etc... That's why I donated.

It was the State and local government's fault. Not the federal government. The state of Louisiana was given money to fix the levee, and they didn't. So, who's fault is it? If the insurance company gives me money to fix my roof after a wind storm, and then I don't, and then later on, there's leaks all over the place, then who's fault is it? It's mine.

The people who blame Bush for Katrina, are the same ones who think the Federal government should provide everything for them, instead of getting it on their own. It's an entitlement mentality that the democrats have.
It's a very socialistic mentality.

[sandy]

27 murders so far this year in NO. What a mess!:( I think we should send the National Guard in to fix that hellhole. I can't believe the people reelected Chocolate Nagin. UGH...

NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - New Orleans, the "Big Easy" city famous for its good times and relaxed attitude, has become the Big Uneasy in recent weeks as its murder count has soared and anger grown at local leaders unable to stop the violence.:(

Annual Mardi Gras celebrations unfolded without incident this weekend, but fear of the rampant blood-spilling and its threat to the city's recovery from Hurricane Katrina are constant topics of conversation.

The homicide total for a still-young 2007 climbed to 27 on Saturday with the dead of a man shot at a nightclub on Friday.

He was one of nine people shot in separate incidents in a seven-hour span on Thursday and Friday, and the third of them to die.

Only about half of the pre-Katrina population of is back and much of the city is still damaged and abandoned. Recent news stories have said a growing number of those who returned are leaving because they are fed up with the slow recovery and the crime.

"If they don't get crime under control, if they can't convince people it's safe to be here, it doesn't matter how much money they get from the federal government, nobody's going to stay," Tulane University criminal justice instructor Ronnie Jones said.

Katrina hit hard the poor neighborhoods where the murders usually occurred, and brought the criminals closer to wealthier, often mostly white, areas.
Too many criminals are arrested and then returned to the streets due to poor police work and lax prosecutors and judges. New Orleans has too many social problems - drugs, poverty, broken families, poor education - all present BEFORE Katrina.:(

***Only 12% of murderers go to jail ****:(



http://today.reuters.com/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2007-02-19T230335Z_01_N19404375_RTRUKOC_0_US-NEWORLEANS-CRIME.xml

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Excuse me but you are being way too judgemental......The police force is doing what they can! They have no bullet proof vests or a complete force...They are doing the best that they can. If Katrina were to do this on the East Coast we would not see what we are still seeing today......people are homeless due to the fact that insurance companies are not paying claims....this does not only affect New Orleans but all of the Gulf Coast that was hit....even a US Congressman is was denied his claim to his insurance company......Sandy there comes a time when as Christians we should be compassionate step back and think WWJD......

[sandy]

NO's problems started WAY before Katrina. Their (entitlement) mentality is destroying them. The cops are NOT doing the best they can. Most of them left during the storm. Others were caught looting. They have the most corrupt police force in the world.:mad:

Being compassionate and donating to victims is one thing. Being stupid and throwing money at an unfixable (?) problem is another.

Too many criminals are arrested and then returned to the streets due to POOR police work and LAX prosecutors and judges. New Orleans has too many social problems - drugs, poverty, broken families, poor education - all present BEFORE Katrina. :(

The problems start at home. Parents need to be parents: educate/discipline/ train their children in Christianity and morals. Not in being a loser.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

NO's problems started WAY before Katrina. Their (entitlement) mentality is destroying them. The cops are NOT doing the best they can. Most of them left during the storm. Others were caught looting. They have the most corrupt police force in the world.:mad:

Being compassionate and donating to victims is one thing. Being stupid and throwing money at an unfixable (?) problem is another.

Too many criminals are arrested and then returned to the streets due to POOR police work and LAX prosecutors and judges. New Orleans has too many social problems - drugs, poverty, broken families, poor education - all present BEFORE Katrina. :(

The problems start at home. Parents need to be parents: educate/discipline/ train their children in Christianity and morals. Not in being a loser.

But here you go putting everyone in a box.....it just doesn't work that way again I ask WWJD?

[TaylorHicksRocks]

The government was accused of making things worse, instead of making things better—perhaps even deliberately—by preventing help by others while delaying its own response. In accordance with federal law, President George W. Bush directed the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, to coordinate the Federal response. Chertoff designated Michael D. Brown, head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, as the Principal Federal Official to lead the deployment and coordination of all federal response resources and forces in the Gulf Coast region. However, the President and Secretary Chertoff initially came under harsh criticism for what some perceived as a lack of planning and coordination. Eight days later, Brown was recalled to Washington and Coast Guard Vice Admiral Thad W. Allen replaced him as chief of hurricane relief operations.[88] Three days after the recall, Michael D. Brown resigned as director of FEMA in spite of having received praise from Bush with the now-well-known phrase, "You're doing a heck of a job."[89]

On September 2, 2005, during a benefit concert for Hurricane Katrina relief on NBC, A Concert for Hurricane Relief, West was a featured speaker. Controversy arose when West was presenting, as he deviated from the prepared script:

I hate the way they portray us in the media. You see a white family, it says, 'They're looking for food.'You see a black family, it says, 'They're looting.' And, you know, it's been five days [waiting for federal help] because most of the people are black. And even for me to complain about it, I would be a hypocrite because I've tried to turn away from the teacher-the TV because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before even giving a donation, so now I'm calling my business manager right now to see what is the biggest amount I can give, and just to imagine if I was down there, and those are my people down there. So anybody out there that wants to do anything that we can help — with the way America is set up to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off, as slow as possible. I mean, the Red Cross is doing everything they can. We already realize a lot of people that could help are at war right now, fighting another way — and they've given them permission to go down and shoot us!

Mike Myers, whom West was paired with to present, spoke next and continued as normal by reading the script. Once it was West's turn to speak again, he delivered the controversial phrase:

George Bush doesn't care about black people.

[sandy]

I don't get this. New Orleans residents have plenty of time for drinking, drugs, immorality, and debauchery at pagan celebration MardiGras but no time/desire to clean up their state?:confused:

I'm tired of us sending money there. Enough is enough.:(

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I don't get this. New Orleans residents have plenty of time for drinking, drugs, immorality, and debauchery at pagan celebration MardiGras but no time/desire to clean up their state?:confused:

I'm tired of us sending money there. Enough is enough.:(

Don't send your money there...send it to Mississippi they are still in need also......

[sandy]

Miss has done a great job of cleaning up. Their police would not put up with the bs NO did. They are not quite as corrupt.

"Evacuating a city is the job of the mayor and the governor, not the federal government. President Bush is very powerful but he still can't whip a Category 5 hurricane. One in four Katrina victims were white people; so if this was a racist conspiracy, it wasn't a very good one.

Democrats were so excited about Hurricane Katrina, they're thinking of moving "Camp Casey" to an area outside the National Weather Service. What they haven't figured out yet is how Richard Perle and the "neocons" cooked up a hurricane that targeted only black people. Meanwhile, rescuers in New Orleans have discovered a lower-than-expected 424 dead bodies or, as they're known to liberals, "registered Democratic voters."

In liberals' defense, they've got a better shot at convincing Americans that Bush is responsible for a hurricane than convincing them that John Kerry was fit to be commander in chief. Compared to Kerry, Katrina is a blowhard they can work with."


http://www.anncoulter.org/cgi-local/printer_friendly.cgi?article=76

p.s. I already donated to both.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Miss has done a great job of cleaning up. Their police would not put up with the bs NO did. They are not quite as corrupt.

"Evacuating a city is the job of the mayor and the governor, not the federal government. President Bush is very powerful but he still can't whip a Category 5 hurricane. One in four Katrina victims were white people; so if this was a racist conspiracy, it wasn't a very good one.

Democrats were so excited about Hurricane Katrina, they're thinking of moving "Camp Casey" to an area outside the National Weather Service. What they haven't figured out yet is how Richard Perle and the "neocons" cooked up a hurricane that targeted only black people. Meanwhile, rescuers in New Orleans have discovered a lower-than-expected 424 dead bodies or, as they're known to liberals, "registered Democratic voters."

In liberals' defense, they've got a better shot at convincing Americans that Bush is responsible for a hurricane than convincing them that John Kerry was fit to be commander in chief. Compared to Kerry, Katrina is a blowhard they can work with."


http://www.anncoulter.org/cgi-local/printer_friendly.cgi?article=76

p.s. I already donated to both.


However Mississippi still has people witout homes due to insuance claims being denied.......

[sandy]

NO just had its' 37th murder of the year as 3 people were killed in less than 10hours. :(

Police found shell casings covering a two block area and an AK-47. :(

W should take my advice and turn that hellhole into an island.:(

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl031007khshootings.3a81cfa2.html

[idolchat.tv]

NO just had its' 37th murder of the year as 3 people were killed in less than 10hours. :(

Police found shell casings covering a two block area and an AK-47. :(

W should take my advice and turn that hellhole into an island.:(

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl031007khshootings.3a81cfa2.html

You guys forget that this was the same city that citizens were firing at the National Guard helicopters who were descending upon one of the shelters to rescue stranded victims during Katrina. After 30+ years living VERY close to that city, i'll tell you that its worse than the media has portrayed it. 'You aint seen nothin yet'

[sandy]

I know! I had friends who went to "help" who said the crazy morons shot at aid workers, looted everyting in sight, and pretty much just trashed the town.
The looters' thinking is whack. Satanic....:(

[idolchat.tv]

I know! I had friends who went to "help" who said the crazy morons shot at aid workers, looted everyting in sight, and pretty much just trashed the town.
The looters' thinking is whack. Satanic....:(

Looting is as much a part of america as Apple Pie. Only in this country do people try and profit from tragedy. Good thing I was living in Dallas when the hurricane hit :)

[RushDog]

Looting is as much a part of america as Apple Pie. Only in this country do people try and profit from tragedy. Good thing I was living in Dallas when the hurricane hit :)

I heard alot of the them moved to Dallas, and caused alot of havoc there.

[idolchat.tv]

I heard alot of the them moved to Dallas, and caused alot of havoc there.

Houston is the main city in TX that suffered the after effects

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Houston is the main city in TX that suffered the after effects

That's what I heard.......Houston is closer and besides anytime you live in a big city you will have problems...

[RushDog]

Houston is the main city in TX that suffered the after effects

Yeah, I heard about that. However, I have some friends in Dallas, who told me about some of the problems that some of the evacuees have caused there.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Yeah, I heard about that. However, I have some friends in Dallas, who told me about some of the problems that some of the evacuees have caused there.

It's probably minimal compared to Houston....

[sandy]

I'm wondering who is going to pay for all this? The rich? Oh, ok, let's tax the rich.:( Why should we pay to rebuild a city that's a bowl?

Democrats have been trying for years to increase taxes on the evil and hated rich. Liberalism appeals to those who have not achieved. Liberalism is the philosophy of anti-individualism. Individual achievement and excellence must be discouraged and punished. What better way to punish evil individuals who dare to rise above the masses than to simply seize the fruits of their labors? In the world of democrats and liberalism accomplishment, achievement and individualism must be punished. This is why democrats will work hard to make sure that taxes are increased to pay for Katrina recovery. Not taxes on everybody, just taxes on the wicked rich.:rolleyes:

The alternative is to run a deficit. Democrats now tell us that deficits are bad. A few decades ago democrats were arguing just the opposite, that deficits were simply a byproduct of government doing what government needs to do--care for its citizens. Democrats weren't so eager to hike taxes in those days, perhaps because those tax hikes hit people who vote for democrats. Now that democrats have managed to shift almost the entire tax burden on the upper 30% of income earners -- people who are more likely to vote Republican -- tax hikes are the only way to go.:(

Deficits aren't necessarily evil. If we had to pay the entire purchase price for a home the year we bought it, nobody would own homes. During the year in which you buy a home, or a car, you will probably spend more than you take in. You'll run a deficit. You'll finance that deficit over the course of the coming years.

There is no problem with the federal government financing the cost of this recovery effort over several years.