Manning Vs. Manning [Archive]

AbsentElement

09-05-2006, 01:51 PM

AbsentElement

09-05-2006, 01:58 PM

Well NFL fans, looks like the marquee matchup this week will be the Manning Bowl: Peyton Manning vs. Eli Manning (Colts vs. Giants). The sibling quarterbacks were each drafted number one overall in their respective draft classes. Take the poll... who will win this week? Peyton and the Colts or Eli and the Giants?
I'm gonna have to say the Colts will win this one. Although Eli's good and will seemingly follow in Peyton's footsteps as a memorable NFL quarterback, Peyton is arguably the best quarterback ever. Although he faces a stingy Giants defense this week, and he's tried to downplay his feelings on playing against his brother, his competitive drive won't settle for losing to his little brother.

MusicLover

09-05-2006, 02:30 PM

Sorry, NY, gotta go with my boy Peyton...

TaylorHicksRocks

09-05-2006, 02:50 PM

I went with Peyton...

RushDog

09-05-2006, 03:39 PM

I have Eli for one of my fantasy teams. I had Peyton last year, and he didn't do well, fantasy wise.

RushDog

09-05-2006, 03:44 PM

Peyton is arguably the best quarterback ever.

No way! I might put him in the top 10. Maybe. But, the best ever? No. Not even close. He's not even the best Colts quarterback ever. Johnny Unitas was.

AbsentElement

09-05-2006, 06:16 PM

No way! I might put him in the top 10. Maybe. But, the best ever? No. Not even close. He's not even the best Colts quarterback ever. Johnny Unitas was.
Just a few stats for ya...

NFL Draft Pick Overall / Round:
Unitas: 102 / 9
Manning: 1 / 1

Pro Bowl appearances:
Unitas: 10
Manning: 8

Pro Bowl MVP's
Unitas: 3
Manning: 1

NFL MVP's
Unitas: 2
Manning: 2

Bert Bell Awards
Unitas: 3
Manning: 2

Walter Payton Awards
Unitas: 1
Manning: 1

Yards Passing (career)
Unitas: 40,239
Manning: 33,189
(Marino holds the record with 61,343 yards over 17 seasons)

Interceptions
Unitas: 253
Manning: 130

Records Held:
Unitas:
47 consecutive NFL games with a touchdown pass
287 career passing touchdowns
Most seasons leading the league in TD's: 4 (tied with Dawson, Young, Favre)
Most consecutive seasons leading the league in TD's: 4

Manning:
Highest passer rating (season): 121.1 (2004)
Most pass attempts as a rookie: 575
Most passes completed as a rookie: 326
Most seasons with 4,000+ yards passing (6 seasons)
Most consecutive seasons with 4,000+ yards passing (6 seasons)
Most yards gained in rookie season: 3,739
Most TD passes in a season: 49
Most TD passes in a season as a rookie: 26

Years NFL experience
Unitas: 17 (1956-1973)
Manning: 8 (1998-present)

really, only time will tell if he's the best ever, but he's definitely on track to be... :)

RushDog

09-05-2006, 06:42 PM

AbsentElement

09-05-2006, 08:25 PM

Yeah, stats are all good and fine. The only thing is, if they went by stats, then they would say Marino was the best of all time. But, they don't. They consider guys like Montana and Elway better because they won Super Bowls. Nowadays, they consider Tom Brady as the best around, because he's won 3 Super Bowls. I'm afraid until he wins something, he won't be consider the best.
You actually make a good point.... "best" is really subjective. Some prefer to go by stats, some prefer to go by awards, trophies, etc. I suppose there are a few QB's one could argue are the best. And your earlier post made a good related point. He's one of the best. That his, he, in his NFL-relative youth is already among an elite group of QB's throughout history. Imagine if he sticks around another 8 years or so and does manage to get a SB win.

TaylorHicksRocks

09-05-2006, 09:29 PM

You actually make a good point.... "best" is really subjective. Some prefer to go by stats, some prefer to go by awards, trophies, etc. I suppose there are a few QB's one could argue are the best. And your earlier post made a good related point. He's one of the best. That his, he, in his NFL-relative youth is already among an elite group of QB's throughout history. Imagine if he sticks around another 8 years or so and does manage to get a SB win.

Aikmen is my favorite behind Staback!

AbsentElement

09-05-2006, 10:21 PM

Aikmen is my favorite behind Staback!
My two favorites as well (Aikman and Staubach). :)

RushDog

09-05-2006, 10:42 PM

I think the greatest of all time is Jim McMahon.

http://www.driko.org/smallpics/jimmcmahon.jpg

TaylorHicksRocks

09-06-2006, 09:11 AM

My two favorites as well (Aikman and Staubach). :)

I was very young wen Staubach was a quarteback but he got e into football. Thank you for leting me know how to spell his last name.....lol

RushDog

09-06-2006, 09:31 AM

I was very young wen Staubach was a quarteback but he got e into football. Thank you for leting me know how to spell his last name.....lol

LOL! Looks like there's a few other words you need help with.:D

Son of Simon

09-12-2006, 02:50 PM

I'm going with the Colts on this one. Colts are one of the best regular seasons teams ever, but if this were a playoff game (it would have to be a Superbowl) I would have some doubts about Peyton's ability to win the big one...

I'm a big fan of the fancy-footwork quarterbacks. I know that it's all the rage these days, but I've always been a fan of the original rushing QB, Randall Cunningham, and you know I gotta go with my man Donovan McNabb (though not such a Vick fan...weird eh?)

As far as the best all time though- that's tough. You can't leave out the clutch players like Joe Montana, Broadway Joe Namath, and most recently Tom Brady.

Kat4Ever

09-12-2006, 03:08 PM

RushDog

09-12-2006, 04:23 PM

John Elway is the greatest of all time.

Most wins ever... took multiple teams to the Super Bowl on HIS shoulders and his alone until Terrell Davis came along... could run with the best of them and throw 50 yards downfield ACROSS the field while running left to right.

He made plays happen like nobody before him or after him (Favre is the only guy even close to him in that regard).

Terrell Davis definately put him over the top. My favorite has to be Joe Montana. That guy was so cool under pressure. Dan Marino is probably my
2nd favorite. If he had a defense and running game, he would've won a Super Bowl. Of course, it didn't help he had Machine Gun Kelly and the Buffalo Bills in the same division.

aztecgoods

09-14-2006, 03:59 PM

I think the greatest of all time is Jim McMahon.

http://www.driko.org/smallpics/jimmcmahon.jpg

You were jokin right, I mean I thought McMahon was kind of a cool guy but I'm not sure his stats are anywheres near alot of other guys.

I always thought Roger Staubachs name was spelled Roger StarBucks. He and Ache-Man are my favs too. I think when Troy was in his hey-day he was the best ever. Maybe not stats wise, but his brain/timing/ rocket for an arm was pretty awesome. Of course I agree its hard to argue with Joe Montana.

Did you know that Scarface's Tony Montana came from Joe Montana. Oliver Stone writer of the Scarface script was a big 49ers fan and was really into Joe at the time he was writing the script he says. So thus we have that little bit of trivia going for us.

And Rush, I don't see how you could compare Peyton with Unitas yet being that Peyton will probably last another what? 5, 6 -10 years.

RushDog

09-15-2006, 01:19 AM

You were jokin right, I mean I thought McMahon was kind of a cool guy but I'm not sure his stats are anywheres near alot of other guys.

Yeah, I was just kidding. But, he was a good quarterback, and he did bring us our only Superbowl victory. His problem was he was too fragile. He got hurt alot, but he had a great arm.

I always thought Roger Staubachs name was spelled Roger StarBucks. He and Ache-Man are my favs too. I think when Troy was in his hey-day he was the best ever. Maybe not stats wise, but his brain/timing/ rocket for an arm was pretty awesome. Of course I agree its hard to argue with Joe Montana.

I liked both quarterbacks. Both are stand up guys. Troy was probably one of the most accurate quarterbacks ever.

And Rush, I don't see how you could compare Peyton with Unitas yet being that Peyton will probably last another what? 5, 6 -10 years.

Well, until he wins the big one, that don't mean diddly. He doesn't play well in poor weather, so if has to go to Pittsburgh, New England, Cinncinnati,Denver, Baltimore, or New York for the playoffs in the wintertime, he's screwed. Johnny U. could play in rain, sleet, or snow. And he won championships. Montana is my favorite of all time. He had that killer instinct. He was so calm, cool, and collective. He just knew he going to win. He beat everybody. Elway, Marino, Esiason, you name it.

AbsentElement

09-15-2006, 11:50 AM

Montana is my favorite of all time. He had that killer instinct. He was so calm, cool, and collective. He just knew he going to win. He beat everybody. Elway, Marino, Esiason, you name it.

Let's not forget though, who Montana was throwing to for the majority of his career (Rice and Clark). Receivers can make a quarterback look real good or real bad.

Some of those other guys had good receivers too, but I think what made Montana shine was his other half: Rice. I think Peyton's on track to be as hailed as Montana. He and Marvin Harrison are the only other QB/WR combo I can think of that compares to Rice/Montana.

Aikman/Irvin was a thrill to watch, but Aikman was damn accurate. He could hit anyone right on the chin from 40 yards away. Not to say Irvin never made fantastic catches, but, I have to agree with aztec, Aikman was probably one of the most accurate QB's ever.

I guess we'll never be able to say definitively that one QB was above and beyond all other QB's. There are just too many variables and it's all so subjective.

I just think that when Manning's career comes to a close, he will be viewed as "arguably" the best QB ever.

RushDog

09-15-2006, 12:52 PM

Let's not forget though, who Montana was throwing to for the majority of his career (Rice and Clark). Receivers can make a quarterback look real good or real bad.

Some of those other guys had good receivers too, but I think what made Montana shine was his other half: Rice. I think Peyton's on track to be as hailed as Montana. He and Marvin Harrison are the only other QB/WR combo I can think of that compares to Rice/Montana.

Aikman/Irvin was a thrill to watch, but Aikman was damn accurate. He could hit anyone right on the chin from 40 yards away. Not to say Irvin never made fantastic catches, but, I have to agree with aztec, Aikman was probably one of the most accurate QB's ever.

I guess we'll never be able to say definitively that one QB was above and beyond all other QB's. There are just too many variables and it's all so subjective.

I just think that when Manning's career comes to a close, he will be viewed as "arguably" the best QB ever.

Marino had the Marx brothers, Clayton and Duper. Not only did Aikman have Irvin, he also had Alvin Harper and Jay Novacek. Elway had Shannon Sharpe and Frank McCaffery. Point is, they all had great receivers, including Manning. Montana would've been great even without Rice and Clark. He took the Chiefs to AFC Championship game. He didn't really have any great receivers on that team. I think Willie Davis was their leading receiver, and he was just average.

AbsentElement

09-15-2006, 04:58 PM

Marino had the Marx brothers, Clayton and Duper. Not only did Aikman have Irvin, he also had Alvin Harper and Jay Novacek. Elway had Shannon Sharpe and Frank McCaffery. Point is, they all had great receivers, including Manning. Montana would've been great even without Rice and Clark. He took the Chiefs to AFC Championship game. He didn't really have any great receivers on that team. I think Willie Davis was their leading receiver, and he was just average.

Alright, fine. Montana was okay. I still hate him for "the catch" though. :p

Kat4Ever

09-15-2006, 06:29 PM

The best way to judge how good a quarterback is or was is to envision him on another team.

For instance... if you took Montana and replaced him with Elway... and Elway and replaced him with Montana do you think they would have had the same success?

I know almost for a fact that the 49ers with Elway in charge would have won several more Super Bowls and been the absolute dynasty (moreso than they even were) because Elway was that damn good.....

whereas if you put Montana on the teams that Elway had when he was younger and taking the Bronc's to the Super Bowl... they probably wouldn't have made a single one because Elway was a different type of thrower.

Montana had FAR better options around him, not only with receivers but running backs and fullbacks as well.

Elway never had any of that (especially a run game) until Terrell Davis came around (which not surprisingly is when they won their 1st Super Bowl).

Elway was just a better pure quarterback that could have lead almost any team to the Super Bowl... Montana had to have his support staff around him to be a good QB.

At least that's what I believe.

RushDog

09-15-2006, 07:33 PM

Like I said before, Montana would've been great on any team. Look what he did for a mediocre Chiefs team when was at the end of his career. Marino would've had a bunch of rings too if would've been on the 49ers, Redskins, Cowboys, or the '85 Bears. Anyway, what gets you super bowl rings is a great running game and a great run defense, and those teams had that. Marino's teams had neither one of those. Elway didn't win a ring until Terrell Davis came along.

TaylorHicksRocks

09-15-2006, 07:34 PM

Marino had the Marx brothers, Clayton and Duper. Not only did Aikman have Irvin, he also had Alvin Harper and Jay Novacek. Elway had Shannon Sharpe and Frank McCaffery. Point is, they all had great receivers, including Manning. Montana would've been great even without Rice and Clark. He took the Chiefs to AFC Championship game. He didn't really have any great receivers on that team. I think Willie Davis was their leading receiver, and he was just average.

Too bad Jay Novacek broke his back. I never saw a better tight end! No pun intened.......He was truly magnificent! Sometimes it looked like he was jumping hurdles out on that field when it was the opposing team!!!!!!:)

RushDog

09-15-2006, 07:37 PM

Too bad Jay Novacek broke his back. I never saw a better tight end! No pun intened.......He was truly magnificent! Sometimes it looked like he was jumping hurdles out on that field when it was the opposing team!!!!!!:)

I don't think he broke his back. He might've had some back problems, but he can still walk.

TaylorHicksRocks

09-15-2006, 10:24 PM

I heard he had back surgery due to a broken back.....however I was in Nevada at the time I could be wrong.......It is still a shame that Jay is no longer playing the game!

AbsentElement

09-17-2006, 09:07 PM

INDIANAPOLIS -- Peyton Manning broke John Unitas' franchise
record for completions during the first quarter of Sunday's game
against Houston.

Manning set the mark with 8:17 left in the first quarter when he
threw a 21-yard touchdown pass to Joseph Addai. The third
completion of the game gave Manning 2,797 career completions in 130
games. Unitas had 2,796 in 206 games with the Colts.

Manning finished 26-of-38 for 400 yards and three TDs, giving
him 2,820 completions. He is second on the Colts' career list
behind Unitas in attempts, yardage, touchdowns and games played by
a quarterback.

In the third quarter, Marvin Harrison moved into fifth place on
the NFL career receptions list by catching a 15-yard pass from
Manning. With his 941st career catch, Harrison passed Art Monk
(940).

Harrison entered the game with 936 career receptions, caught two
early passes and wasted little time in hauling in three more early
in the second half. He had seven receptions for 127 yards, giving
him 943 catches in his career. His 55 career 100-yard games leaves
him second only to Jerry Rice.

Next on the list for Harrison is Andre Reed, who had 951
catches. Later this season, Harrison hopes to become the fourth
receiver in league history with 1,000 catches.

aztecgoods

09-18-2006, 09:46 AM

Rush looks like your bears are going to do well this year. They are probably headed for the playoffs, although I know its still early. Looks like the Cowgirls will too if they don't blow it, like they are sooooo capable of doing it seems like. They looked good yesterday against the skins. The skins look liked warmed over crap.