Let's keep Ben in our prayers...

[MusicLover]

Ben Roethlisberger (24 year old QB for the Steelers, took them to win the last Super Bowl) was in a very serious motorcycle accident this morning. He hates to wear a helment... and has always said he willl not wear one.

He's in surgery right now. They are reporting that you can still see the pool of blood on the road where he wrecked. Let's keep Ben and his family in our prayers.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Ben and his family are in my prayers. It is such a shame that he was not wearing a helmet. I think there should be laws like there are for seat belts. Here in Wisconsin they ride without helmets all the time. In Nevada it is law you have to have a helmet. My prayers are going to be with Ben and his family.

[RushDog]

Hopefully, he's learned his lesson. He was pretty bold in an interview last year when talking about the fact that he doesn't wear a helmet. Maybe he'll wear one now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2481004

[MusicLover]

Yeah, he was saying how he rides safely... And he was riding safely when he wrecked. An old lady made an illegal left turn in front of him and he ran into her fender. So, no matter how good a driver you are, remember: There are always bad drivers all around you. Be careful.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

How is Ben doing now? I haven't heard a thing.

[RushDog]

Well, it looks like he's realized his mistake, and he's going to wear a helmet.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2484472

[MusicLover]

Yeah... I read that before, last night, I think. It was also on SportsCenter yesterday. Good thing he learned something from this. Maybe this will even inspire others to wear their helmets. :)

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Well, it looks like he's realized his mistake, and he's going to wear a helmet.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2484472
I am very happy to hear this news!!!!

[RushDog]

Hopefully Big Ben can rebound from this. He has his doubters.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/427499p-360540c.html

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I sure hope that he make a recover's fully!!! I will keep him in my prayers!!!

[Kat4Ever]

Perhaps he might actually want to get a license to drive a motorcycle also.

Gosh... them darn rules.. and the athletes that think they can just break them.

I'm sorry but I have very little sympathy for someone that first, breaks a law.. and then 2nd doesn't realize how stupid (am I going to get into trouble for saying that again) it is to ride a bike without a helmet.

I'm sorry that he got hurt but the public outpouring of sympathy is a little overboard... seeing that it's sort of his fault that he got hurt so badly.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Perhaps he might actually want to get a license to drive a motorcycle also.

Gosh... them darn rules.. and the athletes that think they can just break them.

I'm sorry but I have very little sympathy for someone that first, breaks a law.. and then 2nd doesn't realize how stupid (am I going to get into trouble for saying that again) it is to ride a bike without a helmet.

I'm sorry that he got hurt but the public outpouring of sympathy is a little overboard... seeing that it's sort of his fault that he got hurt so badly.

What makes you think he didn't have license to drive a motorcycle?

2nd we have already discussed the fact he was not wearing a helmet and not all states have the same laws. Are you stunned? Look it up if you want to, it is not like the seatbelt laws. I moved to Wisconsin from Nevada 10 months ago and was stunned to see all the people on motorcycles without helmets. Now in Nevada it is a law you have to wear a helmet if you are on a motorcycle. So contact the state government officals some of them leave it up to individuals. I am all for this being a law.

[RushDog]

Pennsylvania doesn't require a helmet. Neither does Arkansas or Minnesota. I guess the states figure if they want to get their heads smashed, then more power to 'em.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Pennsylvania doesn't require a helmet. Neither does Arkansas or Minnesota. I guess the states figure if they want to get their heads smashed, then more power to 'em.

Very well said RushDog could not have said it better myself..did you get that Kat4Ever?:outtahere

[RushDog]

Looks like Ben did break the rules. Only licensed riders can ride without a helmet. And, that's only after having the license for at least two years. Big Ben didn't have a license. What a boob.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2490987

[Kat4Ever]

Oh, wow.. I was right.. what a shock.

And regardless, whether or not the state HAS a law requiring a helmet.. you're not the smartest kid on the block if you're riding one without one.

I knew people would consider it callous but the fact is it's dangerous.. and he's a sports figure worth millions of dollars and utterly important to his team.

He chose to ride a motorcycle without a license (therefore breaking the law) and then he chose to take his own life in his hands and not wear a helmet.

How anyone could defend that I will never understand.

I'm sorry for the accident... but it was HIS choice to put himself in the position that he could have been killed... or seriously injured.

He got lucky and maybe he's learned his lesson.

But I don't feel sorry for him.

[Kat4Ever]

Oh also... where's the outpouring of sympathy for the old lady that was involved in the accident also.

And more amazingly is the fact that she's received threatening phone calls because of the accident.

Now if that isn't an indictment of the world today, I don't know what is.

The whole thing just makes me sick.

If Ben had been wearing a helmet he probably would have walked away with a few scratches.. as it is HE breaks the law.. and the old lady gets threatened.

Nice.

But yeah.. let's all feel sorry for Ben.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Well I did not have all the facts! However I do not think that it is Ben's fault that the older lady is receiving threatening phone calls. I have been keeping her in my prayers as well. You just want to fight about everything. I just don't understand people like you:confused:

[Kat4Ever]

THR

It's funny you didn't mention the 'old' lady until I brought her up.

And also you weren't even aware of what really happened or the facts behind it.

If she was so much in your prayers.. why didn't you say so earlier instead of gushing over how much you felt sorry for Ben.

Ben broke the law and paid for it... nearly with his career.. and could have been with his life.

I don't feel sorry for people like that.

That's the difference.

I feel sorry for the old lady that is suffering the consequences of a society that cares more about the football star that probably got what he deserved... than the little old lady that did nothing wrong but is being 'punished' by people because she 'injured' their sports star.

That makes me sick.

I'm not so sure what's so difficult to understand about that.

Would it have been different if he had been drunk? Would you feel sorry for him then?

Or what if he was on 'crack' and beat up his girlfriend?

Both of them are addictions... but they're also both choices that people have to make.

When someone makes the wrong choice and puts his life in jeopardy.. or hurts someone else because of a bad choice...

I just don't feel sorry for them.

That's the beauty of having choices. You can choose to do the right thing.. or the wrong thing.

Ben chose wrong. He doesn't deserve the outcry of sympathy.. much like the old lady doesn't deserve to be threatened by a bunch of punks for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

THR

It's funny you didn't mention the 'old' lady until I brought her up.

And also you weren't even aware of what really happened or the facts behind it.

If she was so much in your prayers.. why didn't you say so earlier instead of gushing over how much you felt sorry for Ben.

Ben broke the law and paid for it... nearly with his career.. and could have been with his life.

I don't feel sorry for people like that.

That's the difference.

I feel sorry for the old lady that is suffering the consequences of a society that cares more about the football star that probably got what he deserved... than the little old lady that did nothing wrong but is being 'punished' by people because she 'injured' their sports star.

That makes me sick.

I'm not so sure what's so difficult to understand about that.

Would it have been different if he had been drunk? Would you feel sorry for him then?

Or what if he was on 'crack' and beat up his girlfriend?

Both of them are addictions... but they're also both choices that people have to make.

When someone makes the wrong choice and puts his life in jeopardy.. or hurts someone else because of a bad choice...

I just don't feel sorry for them.

That's the beauty of having choices. You can choose to do the right thing.. or the wrong thing.

Ben chose wrong. He doesn't deserve the outcry of sympathy.. much like the old lady doesn't deserve to be threatened by a bunch of punks for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It does not matter what you say about me........I have known about the older lady the entire time! I have been praying for her. I don't care if you believe me or not. You just like to belittle people. I am not a punk and have not threatened her.

He was not drunk, on crack or did he beat up his girlfriend so what if's are STUPID!!!!!

You are bringing things into this that do not need to be brought into this. And by thye way I did not start this thread! However I am still a Christian and would except anyone posting on this thread to be one also.

So may the Lord show you that we are not all that bad and we do indeed love are fellow man. Also we do indeed pray for them sometimes regardless of the cicumstances.

Even when they seem hopeless!:outtahere

[Kat4Ever]

However I am still a Christian and would except anyone posting on this thread to be one also.

That explains it.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

That explains it.

And what does that mean?

[RushDog]

And what does that mean?

THR,
There's this wonderful thing called the Ignore button you can push if this guy really gets on your nerves. It comes in real handy sometimes. Anyway, don't worry about what this guy says. Everybody else on this forum, that's been here awhile, knows you have a good heart, including me.

[Kat4Ever]

For the record.. let's set a few things straight.

The 'old' lady didn't make an 'illegal' turn in front of Ben... she failed to yield at a green light while turning... she obviously didn't see Ben or the motorcycle.. something that happens quite often.

That's one of the risks you take riding one.

Second.. I was not attacking THR for what she said.. it was the way she said it and her attack on me after I stated what happened.. she acted like it didn't go down that way.. when in fact it did.

IF you're going to argue a subject.. please have knowledge of what you're talking about.

Third... this whole thing as I said is an indictment of part of what I feel is wrong with this country. Not only did this WHOLE thread start off as poor Ben.. let's pray... oh my gosh how could this happen.. it wasn't his fault......

boo hoo....

but the ONLY mention of the other person in the accident (both on here and in papers and on every news channel that I saw) was the fact that SHE made an illegal turn (not entirely true) and that's even if she was mentioned in the first place.

When the story broke it was ALL Ben Roethlisberger's been in a wreck.. Ben's in serious condition... Ben was in an accident with another vehicle... almost every single major news agency just glossed over the fact that someone else was in the accident (and it took some very deep looking to even see who it was or if they were injured as well).. because nobody cared except about the football star.

You want to take umbrance with the way I make a post... I'm sorry but this ticks me off.

It's the whole "let's turn to God and everything will be okay" which has taken over a certain population in this country... but at the same time the other person in the accident was completely overlooked... and now is receiving death threats because she hurt a football star.

It makes me sick.

It harkens all the way back to the presidential election when all you heard from the so-called evangelists was that they were voting for Bush because he was a 'moral' man... guess they got what they deserved didn't they.

And yes, I'm flipping subjects back and forth.. but it all threads together.

I'm just sick of people pretending to be a certain way when they are far from perfect... or pouncing on other people because maybe they don't believe the same thing they do. Just like I'm sick of people putting sports stars or actors or singers or whomever else on a pedestal because of what they do... when in everyday life you have teachers and firefighters and policemen that put their lives on the line everyday... and nobody really seems to care.

What happened was terrible. Nobody should ever hope that anybody else ever gets hurt.

But the outpouring of emotion and sympathy for somebody that quite honestly could have prevented it if he had made the RIGHT choice... is a little out there for my taste.

[RushDog]

For the record.. let's set a few things straight.

The 'old' lady didn't make an 'illegal' turn in front of Ben... she failed to yield at a green light while turning... she obviously didn't see Ben or the motorcycle.. something that happens quite often.

That's one of the risks you take riding one.

Second.. I was not attacking THR for what she said.. it was the way she said it and her attack on me after I stated what happened.. she acted like it didn't go down that way.. when in fact it did.

IF you're going to argue a subject.. please have knowledge of what you're talking about.

Third... this whole thing as I said is an indictment of part of what I feel is wrong with this country. Not only did this WHOLE thread start off as poor Ben.. let's pray... oh my gosh how could this happen.. it wasn't his fault......

boo hoo....

but the ONLY mention of the other person in the accident (both on here and in papers and on every news channel that I saw) was the fact that SHE made an illegal turn (not entirely true) and that's even if she was mentioned in the first place.

When the story broke it was ALL Ben Roethlisberger's been in a wreck.. Ben's in serious condition... Ben was in an accident with another vehicle... almost every single major news agency just glossed over the fact that someone else was in the accident (and it took some very deep looking to even see who it was or if they were injured as well).. because nobody cared except about the football star.

I was also upset about the fact that nobody seemed to care about this lady, and that she had received threats. This is another reason why I hate ESPN so much. They beat this thing to death, like there was nothing else to talk about. We have the NBA and NHL playoffs going on, along with World Cup Soccer, and all they want to talk about is this accident. It seemed like they were spending all day with this story. If this would've been some quarterback on some crappy team like the Texans, they would've spent about five minutes on it. I think it probably triggered some nuts out there to take matters into their own hands and harass this poor woman. You have some real sports fanatics out there that are total nutcases.


It's the whole "let's turn to God and everything will be okay" which has taken over a certain population in this country... but at the same time the other person in the accident was completely overlooked... and now is receiving death threats because she hurt a football star.
It makes me sick.

I disagree. I don't this country has turned to God. If it did, we wouldn't have so much craziness. We also wouldn't have so much filth on TV. Thank God for channel blockers. Just when I think this country couldn't get any worse, something else happens. All I have to do is turn on CNN and it never ceases to amaze me. It pisses me off that it's become so taboo to be a Christian. People can talk about their Muslim faith, or whatever faith they are, and nobody says anything. We're expected to be tolerant of their religions. However, when somebody proclaims to be a Christian and wants share the Gospel with somebody, they're automatically under attack. It's even in the movies. Most Christians in movies are portrayed as crazy fundamentalists, or as some other lunatic. Faith based movies are always attacked by critics and the media, and hardly ever get any publicity. However crazy movies like The DaVinci Code and The Omen are shoved down our throats.

I believe that you should turn to God when under trials and tribulations. The problem is most people don't look up, until they are down. Once they get through whatever they are going through, they forget about God. The Devil wants us "Fat, dumb, and happy", so that we don't focus on God. Take 9/11 for instance. After the attacks came, people were praying and asking for God's help. A year later they forgot about all that "God" stuff. I have relatives that are the same way. Most of them don't go to church, and some of them are alcoholics and drug addicts. However, once something bad happens to them, what do they do? They call me and want me to pray for them. Once they get through whatever is happening to them, they go back to their old self. That's what you call temporal faith, and it won't get you saved.



It harkens all the way back to the presidential election when all you heard from the so-called evangelists was that they were voting for Bush because he was a 'moral' man... guess they got what they deserved didn't they.


When I was stationed at the Pentegon, I worked under two different administrations. Bush, Sr., and then Clinton. It was then that I realized that both parties are equally screwy. They're all corrupt and spoiled.


I'm just sick of people pretending to be a certain way when they are far from perfect... or pouncing on other people because maybe they don't believe the same thing they do. Just like I'm sick of people putting sports stars or actors or singers or whomever else on a pedestal because of what they do... when in everyday life you have teachers and firefighters and policemen that put their lives on the line everyday... and nobody really seems to care.
But the outpouring of emotion and sympathy for somebody that quite honestly could have prevented it if he had made the RIGHT choice... is a little out there for my taste.

I agree with you about the fact that people shouldn't put athletes and celebrities on a pedestal. I'm a big sports fan but I know most athletes have huge character flaws. So do alot of other celebrities. I'm not saying Ben does. I think he just made a stupid decision.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I was also upset about the fact that nobody seemed to care about this lady, and that she had received threats. This is another reason why I hate ESPN so much. They beat this thing to death, like there was nothing else to talk about. We have the NBA and NHL playoffs going on, along with World Cup Soccer, and all they want to talk about is this accident. It seemed like they were spending all day with this story. If this would've been some quarterback on some crappy team like the Texans, they would've spent about five minutes on it. I think it probably triggered some nuts out there to take matters into their own hands and harass this poor woman. You have some real sports fanatics out there that are total nutcases.


I disagree. I don't this country has turned to God. If it did, we wouldn't have so much craziness. We also wouldn't have so much filth on TV. Thank God for channel blockers. Just when I think this country couldn't get any worse, something else happens. All I have to do is turn on CNN and it never ceases to amaze me. It pisses me off that it's become so taboo to be a Christian. People can talk about their Muslim faith, or whatever faith they are, and nobody says anything. We're expected to be tolerant of their religions. However, when somebody proclaims to be a Christian and wants share the Gospel with somebody, they're automatically under attack. It's even in the movies. Most Christians in movies are portrayed as crazy fundamentalists, or as some other lunatic. Faith based movies are always attacked by critics and the media, and hardly ever get any publicity. However crazy movies like The DaVinci Code and The Omen are shoved down our throats.

I believe that you should turn to God when under trials and tribulations. The problem is most people don't look up, until they are down. Once they get through whatever they are going through, they forget about God. The Devil wants us "Fat, dumb, and happy", so that we don't focus on God. Take 9/11 for instance. After the attacks came, people were praying and asking for God's help. A year later they forgot about all that "God" stuff. I have relatives that are the same way. Most of them don't go to church, and some of them are alcoholics and drug addicts. However, once something bad happens to them, what do they do? They call me and want me to pray for them. Once they get through whatever is happening to them, they go back to their old self. That's what you call temporal faith, and it won't get you saved.




When I was stationed at the Pentegon, I worked under two different administrations. Bush, Sr., and then Clinton. It was then that I realized that both parties are equally screwy. They're all corrupt and spoiled.



I agree with you about the fact that people shouldn't put athletes and celebrities on a pedestal. I'm a big sports fan but I know most athletes have huge character flaws. So do alot of other celebrities. I'm not saying Ben does. I think he just made a stupid decision.


:luxhello: So very well said Rushdog!!!!!!!!!:luxhello:

[Kat4Ever]

I'm sorry and PLEASE don't take offense at this but I think you're both off your rockers if you think this country hasn't turned to God... or that it's become taboo to believe in God.

During the last election that's all there was. That's all the Republican party made it about.

Of course they just mislead you and lied.. but you bought it. (if you voted for Bush)

But that's exactly why Bush was elected - just making a point - was because of the Evangelists and their 'faith' that he was a moral man... that's what Karl Rove wanted.

It's the whole "the most evil thing in this world right now is gay people and gay marriage and illegal immigrants".... yes there's nothing worse... truly.

And I don't care what your personal feelings are on the subject... it's not the most horrible thing in the world... or even in the top 100 things that we should care about in America right now.

But it's what the Christians want to concentrate on because it goes so far against their beliefs.

The problem is this country has been torn in half by religion... on one side you have a bunch of religious fanatics that want to tell you how to live your life.. what to watch.. what to wear... how to act. And on the other you have the rebellious side that doesn't believe anything they say.

But at the same time a HUGE part of that Christian Right.. isn't even moral themselves. Do you think Bush is a moral person? No.

That's what bugs me is a lot of those same people that act as if you don't believe in God.. or don't live your life like THEY think you should... then you're pure evil.

But how many of those people are hypocritical and living their life in sin anyway. Do all God fearing people obey all the rules in the bible? How many of them are out committing adultery right now? How many of them are lying or cheating or stealing or looking at porn on the internet every day?

But they go to church every Sunday.. they ask for forgiveness.. they take the bread.. they thank their pastor or priest or father for a wonderful sermon.. and they go back home and do it all over again.

Please.. I'm not saying that any of you here are like that.. but I know plenty of people that are.. and I'm willing to bet that you do to. Or that you might be shocked if some of your friends are even like that.

Obviously I do not believe in God.. at least not the way you do. I am a spiritual and philosophical person that believes that there is a BETTER place that we go when we die. And I live my life accordingly. I believe that if you more of less try to do the right thing most of the time (nobody can be perfect)... then at the end of your time... you move on to a better place. If you want to consider that Heaven and that there may be a God (a supreme being there) then that's fine.

But I don't believe this supreme being has any relevance here on Earth. You can not look around at this country and at this world (as Rush said it's pretty bad) and honestly believe that any higher power cares.

THR.. your husband was taken from you. I am sorry. And I'm not doing this to hurt you... I know it hurts.

That kind of stuff ticks me off when it happens and it's answered by 'God works in mysterious ways'. You didnt' deserve that... your husband was a good man and a good father. There is NO explanation for it.

And I would think a true God wouldn't let those things happen.

And if there is a true God and he does let bad things happen to good people... then what's the point in praying and wishing for good things. Does he make those happen also?

Where's the line drawn... who does he help and who does he hurt?

I prefer to live my life right. To do the right thing. To help out the poor and homeless... to help my community... to help my friends... and to be the best husband and father I can... while NOT worrying about what some Christian tells me I should be doing... or watching... or wearing.

Besides what makes them right? The Catholics think they're right.. the Protestants think they're right.. the Muslims think they're right.. and all the while throughout history they've fought eachother over their beliefs.

As if any God would have wanted it that way.

As a Christian are you proud of the witch hunts? How about the Crusades?

Does whether or not someone else is gay and wants to be married truly affect your life? It doesn't mine.

If there's something on TV I don't want my kids to watch.. I turn it off. If there's something at the movies I don't want them to see.. I don't let them go.

How about instead of being upset about certain things.. you be upset at the parents that either aren't there.. or don't care.

Especially when supposedly they are Christian.

As if that makes them better.

[RushDog]

I'm sorry and PLEASE don't take offense at this but I think you're both off your rockers if you think this country hasn't turned to God... or that it's become taboo to believe in God.

During the last election that's all there was. That's all the Republican party made it about.

Of course they just mislead you and lied.. but you bought it. (if you voted for Bush)

But that's exactly why Bush was elected - just making a point - was because of the Evangelists and their 'faith' that he was a moral man... that's what Karl Rove wanted.

It's the whole "the most evil thing in this world right now is gay people and gay marriage and illegal immigrants".... yes there's nothing worse... truly.

And I don't care what your personal feelings are on the subject... it's not the most horrible thing in the world... or even in the top 100 things that we should care about in America right now.

But it's what the Christians want to concentrate on because it goes so far against their beliefs.

The problem is this country has been torn in half by religion... on one side you have a bunch of religious fanatics that want to tell you how to live your life.. what to watch.. what to wear... how to act. And on the other you have the rebellious side that doesn't believe anything they say.

But at the same time a HUGE part of that Christian Right.. isn't even moral themselves. Do you think Bush is a moral person? No.

That's what bugs me is a lot of those same people that act as if you don't believe in God.. or don't live your life like THEY think you should... then you're pure evil.

But how many of those people are hypocritical and living their life in sin anyway. Do all God fearing people obey all the rules in the bible? How many of them are out committing adultery right now? How many of them are lying or cheating or stealing or looking at porn on the internet every day?

But they go to church every Sunday.. they ask for forgiveness.. they take the bread.. they thank their pastor or priest or father for a wonderful sermon.. and they go back home and do it all over again.

Please.. I'm not saying that any of you here are like that.. but I know plenty of people that are.. and I'm willing to bet that you do to. Or that you might be shocked if some of your friends are even like that.

Obviously I do not believe in God.. at least not the way you do. I am a spiritual and philosophical person that believes that there is a BETTER place that we go when we die. And I live my life accordingly. I believe that if you more of less try to do the right thing most of the time (nobody can be perfect)... then at the end of your time... you move on to a better place. If you want to consider that Heaven and that there may be a God (a supreme being there) then that's fine.

But I don't believe this supreme being has any relevance here on Earth. You can not look around at this country and at this world (as Rush said it's pretty bad) and honestly believe that any higher power cares.

THR.. your husband was taken from you. I am sorry. And I'm not doing this to hurt you... I know it hurts.

That kind of stuff ticks me off when it happens and it's answered by 'God works in mysterious ways'. You didnt' deserve that... your husband was a good man and a good father. There is NO explanation for it.

And I would think a true God wouldn't let those things happen.

And if there is a true God and he does let bad things happen to good people... then what's the point in praying and wishing for good things. Does he make those happen also?

Where's the line drawn... who does he help and who does he hurt?

I prefer to live my life right. To do the right thing. To help out the poor and homeless... to help my community... to help my friends... and to be the best husband and father I can... while NOT worrying about what some Christian tells me I should be doing... or watching... or wearing.

Besides what makes them right? The Catholics think they're right.. the Protestants think they're right.. the Muslims think they're right.. and all the while throughout history they've fought eachother over their beliefs.

As if any God would have wanted it that way.

As a Christian are you proud of the witch hunts? How about the Crusades?

Does whether or not someone else is gay and wants to be married truly affect your life? It doesn't mine.

If there's something on TV I don't want my kids to watch.. I turn it off. If there's something at the movies I don't want them to see.. I don't let them go.

How about instead of being upset about certain things.. you be upset at the parents that either aren't there.. or don't care.

Especially when supposedly they are Christian.

As if that makes them better.

I can't respond to everything you said because my ADHD/Dislexia(Yes, I'm in a hurry to do things backwards) is not allowing me to. All I can say is, Christians aren't going to be perfect, although the world expects us to be. However, we are forgiven. That's why Jesus died for our sins and in three days rose up and prepared us a place in Heaven. I could minister to you. However, this isn't the right forum. But, if you'd like to hear some great news, PM me! Later, dude!

"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ, our Lord." Romans 6:23

[TaylorHicksRocks]

I can't respond to everything you said because my ADHD/Dislexia(Yes, I'm in a hurry to do things backwards) is not allowing me to. All I can say is, Christians aren't going to be perfect, although the world expects us to be. However, we are forgiven. That's why Jesus died for our sins and in three days rose up and prepared us a place in Heaven. I could minister to you. However, this isn't the right forum. But, if you'd like to hear some great news, PM me! Later, dude!

Very well said RushDog.....I took your advice too and I feel much better! :luxhello: Like you said this is not the forum to minister to the guy. I do feel sorry for him. God is everywhere. He is what keeps me going other than my son. God Bless You RushDog:luxhello:

[Kat4Ever]

I do feel sorry for him.

See, that's what makes some people hate Christians.

It's your need to feel sorry for someone that doesn't believe exactly the way you do.

If you took the time to read what I wrote, doesn't it sound like I live my life EXACTLY like you do.. without the belief.

In fact there's a strong chance that I live it better than the majority of so called Christians.. because I don't live in sin and then look for forgiveness.

I live my life right because I know it's the right thing to do... and in real life I treat people right because I know it's the right thing to do. And I help people that need help because I know it's the right thing to do.

But you 'feel sorry' for me.

I wonder who the better person is.

Someone that doesn't judge others... or someone that judges them based on their beliefs.

What do you think?

[RushDog]

Very well said RushDog.....I took your advice too and I feel much better! :luxhello: Like you said this is not the forum to minister to the guy. I do feel sorry for him. God is everywhere. He is what keeps me going other than my son. God Bless You RushDog:luxhello:

God Bless you too, THR! Your son is lucky to have a loving mother like you.

[RushDog]

In fact there's a strong chance that I live it better than the majority of so called Christians.. because I don't live in sin and then look for forgiveness.

I live my life right because I know it's the right thing to do... and in real life I treat people right because I know it's the right thing to do. And I help people that need help because I know it's the right thing to do.



I'm sure you're a great guy and a laugh a minute. However, no amount of personal effort, good works, or religious deeds can earn you a place in Heaven.

"For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift the God: NOT Of WORKS, lest any man should boast."
Ephesians 2:8,9

[Kat4Ever]

So says you.. and that's fine that you believe that way.

I happen to have MANY friends that are very Christian... go to church each Sunday... teach classes Sunday night... go back to church on Wednesday evening... and are great people.

But then again I also know several people that say they are Christian and do the exact same thing... and I know for a fact that they don't live their life that way away from the church.

I'd be willing to bet you know those same people.

So don't 'preach' to me about how great y'all are and try to be 'holier than thou' and act as though you and all Christians have your place in Heaven because of how you live your life.

In less you just want to sit there and lie about thinking that all Christians are perfect people.

I personally don't care what the Bible says... because I could throw a million inaccuracies at you... that you'd obviously discount... but I don't do that with my friends... so I wouldn't do it to you.

I respect them for what they believe... they respect me for the type of person I am.

I don't respect two faced hypocritical individuals that have the nerve to say they are 'sorry' for me because of what I believe.

Personally I'm sorry that you don't live by what you preach and don't judge others... which it's sort of obvious you do.

I'm also sorry for the MILLIONS of innocents out there that want to believe and do believe in God, yet have been mislead and lied to by preachers and priests for their dollars.. and you know what I'm talking about.

Religion is not without misrepresentation. Nor is it without lies. Nor is it without blood.

I judge people based on their acts.. who they are and how they live their life.

Not whether they believe every single thing I do.

I've met as many religious fanatics that are absolute jerks and obviously do not live their life according to the bible.. as I've met atheists or non-believers that do the same thing (they just can't say 'it's okay, I'll pray about it and I'll be forgiven).

[TaylorHicksRocks]

So says you.. and that's fine that you believe that way.

I happen to have MANY friends that are very Christian... go to church each Sunday... teach classes Sunday night... go back to church on Wednesday evening... and are great people.

But then again I also know several people that say they are Christian and do the exact same thing... and I know for a fact that they don't live their life that way away from the church.

I'd be willing to bet you know those same people.

So don't 'preach' to me about how great y'all are and try to be 'holier than thou' and act as though you and all Christians have your place in Heaven because of how you live your life.

In less you just want to sit there and lie about thinking that all Christians are perfect people.

I personally don't care what the Bible says... because I could throw a million inaccuracies at you... that you'd obviously discount... but I don't do that with my friends... so I wouldn't do it to you.

I respect them for what they believe... they respect me for the type of person I am.

I don't respect two faced hypocritical individuals that have the nerve to say they are 'sorry' for me because of what I believe.

Personally I'm sorry that you don't live by what you preach and don't judge others... which it's sort of obvious you do.

I'm also sorry for the MILLIONS of innocents out there that want to believe and do believe in God, yet have been mislead and lied to by preachers and priests for their dollars.. and you know what I'm talking about.

Religion is not without misrepresentation. Nor is it without lies. Nor is it without blood.

I judge people based on their acts.. who they are and how they live their life.

Not whether they believe every single thing I do.

I've met as many religious fanatics that are absolute jerks and obviously do not live their life according to the bible.. as I've met atheists or non-believers that do the same thing (they just can't say 'it's okay, I'll pray about it and I'll be forgiven).

I for one know only of one that has walked this Earth that has been perfect in every sense of the word!!!!

His Name Jesus Christ!!!!

Ipray every night for all those who do not know him, I pray for their souls. I pray that they may get to Know Jesus Christ!

So I guess therefore I am praying for you.......

[Kat4Ever]

That's fine... I accept and thank you for that.

It's what you believe and I respect that.

[TaylorHicksRocks]

Thank You!:angel2: